ABOUT FAKES
I am new to this forum and thanks to Eroids I have come across many awesome sources. Lately I have placed plenty of orders from different sources and so far I am very satisfied. What I found strange is that a lot of people complaints about fakes gear. I konw that there are a lot of fakes out there but for my own experience I guess that the situation is not as bad as described. Many people are getting paranoic when fakes are concerned and they see fakes everywhere. With the coming of internet era there is a lot of supply on the web as well as a lot of fakes but if you follow simple rules the ploblem will clear up. I will try to shed new lights on this topic.
The story of fakes began with the crackdown on anabolic steroids in the early 1990's, bodybuilders and other athletes have turned to the black-market to obtain the drugs for their cycles.Steroids come in a wide variety of assorted, forms, shapes, sizes, textures, and colors. It's because of such variety that there are more steroid fakes and counterfeit drugs on the market than there are real anabolics. Fakes are plentiful because they are cheap to manufacture and easy to pass on to unsuspecting bodybuilders. Most steroid counterfeiters are in the market TO MAKE BIG MONEY FAST. This will show through when it comes to the product they are selling as well. Just like the old phrase you get what you pay for, this goes especially for fakes because they are made for very little cost.
The best way to identify fakes yourself, is to take a long good look at the packaging. Like I said, counterfeiters are looking to make big money fast, therefore, they do not put a lot of time and effort into making their product look the best it can. The packaging on fakes usually looks a lot like the original, but look at the expiration date and the batch number. If they look like they were all printed in the same process as the label, then they are most definitely fakes.
Be sure that the expiration date on the box matches the one on the product as well. Real pharmaceuticals are packaged in large quantities and the batch number and the expiration date are imprinted later in a different process. Also, often times the labels are of low quality as well. You should not be able to easily peal the label off of the ampule or the bottle. Most steroids made by legitimate companies use labels with rounded corners so pay attention to that as well. Also be sure to check that it is on straight and that it doesn't overlap itself, this is a sure sign of low quality.
There are many webistes selling anabolics and while there are several good sources, many of them offer fake gear. The following info you should already know...
AMP: AMPS ARE DIFFICULT TO COPY, IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS REAL IF IN AN AMP.
However, if the lettering on the amp is easily scratched off with your fingernail it's probably fake. Although for many they are not as easy to find, anabolic steroids that come in an ampule form are by far the most rarely faked.
No counterfeiter use 1ml amp because is worthless and too expensive to get.
Ampules or “amps” as they are commonly called will normally be designed so specifically that counterfeiting is not worth the hassle. The specific shape of the ampule, the neck size, and often the engraved writing on the glass is more trouble to counterfeit than it’s worth and finding steroid pictures of these ampules can save you a lot of stress. Don’t be mistaken, some will still try to pass off fake ampules but if you find good quality steroid pictures of the amp in question you will be in better shape. Rarely counterfeiter try to reproduce pharma grade products because it requires a lot of money in specialized equipment and most counterfeiters prefers to make money in easier way.
Vial: Vials have a metal ring and a rubber stopper. On many fakes, the ring can be rotated with your hand but not on a real product. Additionally, if you see any air bubbles in the glass that is not good.
Expiration Date: On all gear, there should be an expiration date and lot number. On legitimate products, they are burned, stamped, or ink jet sprayed on the box and or label. On many fakes, they are printed with the label -- maybe not in the same color ink -- but in the same print process. It is always a separate process on the real deal.
Liquid Level Test: One of the best tests. When purchasing multiple vials or amps, be sure to line them up in a row to make sure the liquid is all the same level. On fakes, often the liquid will not be even in all bottles.
Labels: Take a close look at the printing and spelling. It's almost unbelievable, but on there are often mispellings on labels of fakes. Take a good look at the quality of the label, that is also quite telling.
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thank you for this. I am paranoid of getting fakes and wasting my money.
Anoncheers bro
I have posted recently a great thread on trenbolone if you want more information go to http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/trenbolone-how...
Anonto My friend EBSNW1...
I am fed up reading fucking bullshits and to cope with paranoic that see fakes everywhere...I am doing steroids for 15 years and only recently I have came across a fake for the fist time.It was Genesis 10ml multi vial.I wrote to the source and I had my stuff replaced with pharma grade gear.
First: if you have some doubts about a vial or an amp you have to undergo the stuff to lab test. Lab test requires the use of specialized equipment and only a few labs got it. A reliable lab test must be performed with a spectrophotometer. A spectrophotometer is able to determine, depending on the control or calibration, what substances are present in a target and exactly how much through calculations of observed wavelengths. The cost of this test depend from lab to lab but in my country the range is between 100,00€ to 120,00€. Is it worth it?. I pay about 100,00 € to analyse my gear which cost can vary between 2,00€ - 10,00€ depending to the steroids. Do you think I am so mad ?...
second: you are using illegal stuff, controlled substance, fucking outlaw drugs and you pretend to have the highest quality and security without risk ???
trird: you keep on saying that you have came across a lot of fake amps when only a stupid counterfeiter would produce amps rather than vails. The reason why to produce amp rather than vial is worthless has been widely explained. Read again carefully what I wrote in this thread.
fourth:change your source and read a lot of eroids reviews before buying anymore. Here you will find the best first hand experience ever.
fifth: next time you are going to vist Turkey taste the turkish kebab is a must.
p.s. I didn't mean to swear you. I am sorry!
My aim in writing this thread was simply to let you know what are the best tools to prevent fakes and to avoid squandering our money. Nothing more nothing less.
AnonTO EBSNW1...I don't know if you are dumb or if you want to appear dumb.
All the sources advertised here are illegal sources... because you can't sell steroids... steroids are controlled substances...to produce or sell steroids a sources have to be licensed by government agency...you are buying illegal drugs at your own risk...is it clear ??? Before writing other fucking bullshits bro...I suggest you to go first to this link...to think things through
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/steroids-ugl-versus-pha...
Whats your problem man, why do you feel the need to start insulting me?
I know that the sources are illegal, and my thread was simply based on finding such a source that shipped from Italy. I don't know what you were trying to prove by going through my forum history in order to post that here anyway, it has no relevance to this discussion whatsoever.
All I am trying to say is that what you said, namely that 99% of the 1ml amps are legit, is absolute bullshit. I've been around the block a couple times, and my friends and I have had enough amps analysed.
A friend of mine for example, who bought some amps from a turkish pharmacy in istanbul, began having problems with his erections. Hence, we sent an amp to the lab to have it analysed. The result was that the amp contained a "deca-like" substance. "deca-like", because it resembled deca in its structure but not even the lab could figure out what exactly was in that amp.
It doesn't stop there either, amps I received from a source a couple years back, contained test prop, 25mg in that 1 ml amp. Amps that are complete bunk may even just contain cooking oil.
I am not trying to make anyone paranoid, but I can only shake my head when I read comments that say it doesn't matter if the amps are counterfeit and that as long as there is some hormone in it you might as well inject it. May I remind everyone WHY you are buying pharm grade? Its because you want higher quality gear and no PIP, along with the knowledge that during the production there was no issue with sterility or bad chemistry. Even if the counterfeit is high quality, how do know under what conditions it was produced?
Its funny, most of you probably wouldn't even trust a restaurant to make your food in those countries where the counterfeit amps are produced, and yet you inject chemically engineered hormones from people who are trying to make a buck off of a brand name, and you feel fine doing it because there is some actual hormone in the product?
Very contradictory, and yet I am the one being insulted here. Go figure...
Grow up people, stop being naive and open your eyes! Check the feedback on the amps, even if its one of the top sources. Research how real amps look, have them fake-checked in forums, and most important of all, get blood tests done a couple of weeks into the cycle...
Glad to see you had patience with this moron. Did the mods delete him I noticed on other posts they were all marked helpful lol
Anonthat damn guy is making me paranoid,, he cant even talk right,, i mean wut does talk bulshits mean
epyco was banned for making fake accts to bolster his own rep pts
Now that's childish if I might add
So was his way of arguing. He had no proper knowledge or facts to base his opinions on. I was so sick of this exact discussion, I am just looking out for people trying to convince them to be careful before buying anything off the net.
My history with gear is quite extensive and I have no reason to make people paranoid. It is just from my own experience, having had some amps tested that turned out to be counterfeit, that there are plenty of them out there, no matter what some naiive guy thinks.
Everyone can believe what they want in the end, but think hard about why we have sites like these to filter out the scammers and fakers.
BTW, it is not wise to bump this thread so as to spread his dangerous opinion further. Probably best to delete this thread altogether.
thanks for posting the info m8
Anonthanks to you...if you want more infomation go to:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/steroids-ugl-versus-pha...
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnon@epyco...I agree with you bro. In Italy I have a lot of friend that run steroids for so long that when I have some doubt I ask them and they always tell me the right answer because they are very expert. They know how hormon works better than the best doctor I could find in town, and not because they took a degree in medicine but for personal experience...they always say use this or that...this is legit this not...they can smell a fake from far away...there is nothing better than experience...
AnonTHANKS...WE NEED FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE...CUT THE CHATTER!!!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonTo make it clear...What I meant when I posted this thread was (it was established on my own experience and all useful information I had found out on the web):..if you buy steroid manufactured in 1ml amp you will have higher probability to get real products than buying 10ml vials...that's all...I never meant to say that all 1ml amps are legit and on the contrary 10 ml vials are fakes.
I agree with you that there are a lot of fakes out there ALSO in 1ml amp.
This post was meant to give you a tool to let you know that products manufactured in 1ml amp are probably more secure than products manufactured in 10ml multidose vial...probably not certainly...period.
Do you know what I think ?...that when fakes are concerned people get paranoic...
A lot of people say:"I saw that amp it was a fake"..."all primo is fake"..."turkish farmacy sell a lot of fake"...come on guys stop saying bullshit...if you want to be sure that a product is fake you have two ways only:
1)test the product in a certified lab...do you know how much does it cost? is it worth it?...
2)if you have balls you inject the oil and if you don't get result within 4 weeks probably it is fake.
NO ONE...I DARE SAY NO ONE...CAN AFFIRM THE CONTRARY UNLESS THE FIRST OR SECOND CONDITION IS SATISFIED....I defy everyone to deny me....
Therefore stop saying bullshit...and stop seeing fucking fake everywhere without hints.
If you have used the product as first thing, you have a background as old steroid user, you have been juicing for 5 years or you underwent product to lab test then You will have the skills and the clues to report this is a fucking fake...on the contrary you are telling fucking nothing...
The truth is simple: the first eroider who replied to my post EBSNW1 reported:"There is an incredible amount of counterfeits floating around, some of them were even obtained in real pharmacies for example in turkey"...ok bro maybe you are right but the clue, where is the clue..? have you used it?...have you tested it?...have you bought it? or you are reporting what a friend of your friend had heard from a guy who had heard from another guy...
This forum is awesome and you know why? BECAUSE WE CAN LEARN THROUGH OUR EXPERIENCES, SHARING WHAT WE HAVE UNDERSTOOD THROUGH YEARS OF STEROID USAGE NOT THROUGH RUMORS OR GOSSIP...if I post that Genesis is fake is because I used it without results and I have been using steroids for 15 years hence I know what steroids do in my body and how they work...so you can trust me and through my experience you avoid squandering your money and your time buying genesis producs...
First time I came across edrugdelivery I had doubts if they were scam or not. Then an eroider sent me a PM and told me to trust them because he had bought in the past with good results...I trusted him and placed an order. Now I can say he was right for me it was a bargain.
That's how a blog have to work...we exchange information each other... a lot of information...information is power....INFORMATION CONFIRMED THROUGH EXPERIENCE IS ABSOLUTE POWER....
Primo is faked in amps all the time. Otherwise I do agree with a lot you say.
To me it comes down to this . UGL produce gear that is underdosed or in some cases toxic (anabolics book goes in to how many UGL were tested and they were very dirt and underdosed) or we have the choice of amps ar pharma grade which is faked .
Its a hard game to play.
AnonI ve seen recent tests of UGL products and only one of the bottles tested came up so dirty that they raised concerns regarding the bacteria.. it also happened to be a water based injectible which by nature are prone to harbor more bacteria as opposed to oils.. so to make a blanket statement that covers all UGL's is quite alarmist.
In my mind I break them down into :
Real
Fakes : Basicly a counterfit of a real or original, may or may not be as good as quality. Normally UGL wouldn't be faked (It would only be the best UGL that someone would try to fake).
UGL
Under dosed
Bunk
Most of the terms don't need any explanation.
There is a big difference between fakes and "reproductions". you can pay big money for the original or you can get a reproduction that does the same job at a fraction of the cost. Try make sure that the feedback you take note of come from members with credibility. At the end of the day "you pays your money and takes your chance".
Points to you for an outstanding comment.
Why thank you Sir
then scroll down and give pts to tread for the same "outstanding comment" : /
at least it goes to show i'm getting the message lol
or give me 20 ive. been explaining this all over the place in terms a kindergardner would understand simply cause people just dont get it. been explaining it on the GH mostly this kigs is fake...the lables are different bla bla bla i have 4 different kinds of KIGS right now. i will post pic later today. and they are all GH one is actually lower dosed than another but all GH. if you want pharm grade be prepared to pay for pharm grade or buy from the guy that spends lots of money to reproduce the same product as close to pharm grade as possible for less cause he wants a piece of the pie without a pattent.
AnonI found this topic very interesting but I have the same doubts I had at the beginning. Someone says trust in 1ml amp and someone says the opposite. Who says that 1ml amp are fake has any clue to demonstrate it or what ?. Who says that 1ml amp is real and legit stuff is because has used it with good results or because has some hint such as laboratory analysis?
AnonI am talking about my own experience. I have been using pharma grade amps for long time with very good results. The only time I haven't used pharma grade stuff it turned out to be a fake (Genesis-see my post in steroidea section). I realized that Genesis was a fake because after 3 weeks of usage my strenght, libido, well-being was fading out. So I returned immediately to pharma grade gear and all was fixed up. I have read a lot of reviews on the web about fakes and how to recognize a fake product. Long ago I decided to use only pharma grade products with verification and authentication system because I knew that the probability to came across a counterfeit was much lower. That is my experience...I don't have all the answers...I don't have the truth...I only tried to share with you my background...do what you think is the best choice for you...
Big misconception to say that most copys are only in it for the quick cash. Trust me the really good copys are in it for the long run, hence why most still conatin AAS.
AnonBro...If you had read carefully what I stated you would have read that I had suggested to buy pharma grade manufacturers that own verification and authentication system to check out the legitimacy...today It can be done.period.
There are a lot of sources in the 15 eroid's top chart that sell pharma grade product with a verification and authentication system.period. I did it.
I believe in what you said but my experience is thorougly different. I have been using pharma grade 1ml amps for so long with awesome results that what I wrote is my own experience. I will be keeping to use 1ml amps in the future for sure...thanks...bye
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonAs you stated no one can say this is real or this is fake unless the product is undergone to laboratory analysis.Lab test is the only solution to let the evidence show up. What I tried to point out in my post was that if you buy pharma grade 1ml amps products you have the highest probability to buy real gear. A lot of counterfeit products come from UGL labs such as british dragon, Genesis, Genshi, Eurochem, Lixus, etc that use exclusively 10ml multi vials. Last year I bought from a reliable source (then they were busted) Balkan Pharmaceuticals products and worked great. They have an anti-counterfeiting system called "Unique Product Identification Code" (UPIC) to protect against counterfeits and I could check my stuff and be sure of their legitimacy. The most famous pharma grade manufacturers use 1ml amps not 10ml vials. This is a fact. What I was trying to suggest was to look for sources that sell pharma grade products so they can relax and be sure 90% to have bought a legit item. Geofman, alphapharma, balkan pharmaceuticals are certificated company not ugl labs. Moreover they have Authentication and Verification system to VERIFY the authenticity of their pharmaceutical products. Period.If you came across their products you can be sure 99% that you are using legit gear because you can check it. A counterfeiter know that and try to produce counterfeiter stuff of Ugl labs not of company that have system to prevent counterfeits. I hope I was clear in expressing what I wanted.
tread-mSome really good info and some hard core FAIL BLOG all in one piece here. First , we need to quit equating fake and counterfeit. 2 VERY DIFFERENT THINGS although can be the same. A large amount of product on the market is copy or top copy and I use several different items right now that are top copy and just kick the shit out of the real deal. Good example is a lot of the Balkan. When I get my top copy Balkan its always a better product than my real which is good as well. Spelling is a silly thing for newbs in my opinionj. Years ago, in the late 80's I got my gear, usually test, and often would not use it because of fear factor based on some words spelled wrong. Learned over many many years it means nothing. Even good pharma from other countries can have spelling issues due to exact translation etc. A NON-ISSUE!. My advice is be careful but also grow up, the industry is loaded with copy and if you get good top copy, stick with that source. Even copy cats want repeat business, yeah believe it or not thy like to eat every week too! If you get poor quality or way under dosed or just cooking oil, that's fake. Tlets work together to prevent the children on our site from crying about real good top copy because most of us use it every day, even those of you who swear up and down you're getting true Gensci jintropin straight from the factory! Learn the business folks, its a business of copy and if the copy is good then use it, I DO EVERY DAY.
AnonMy friend...that is what Eurochem Labs states on their website: "We have not seen fake 5ml vials, cause these vials are also very hard to get and counterfeiters prefer 10ml. So, we can say that all 5ml vials must be real."
If the 5ml vials must be real because these vials are also very hard to get what do you think of 1ml amps since they are worthless for a counterfeiter?.
Draw your own conclusion...this is a free forum...so welcome to you...bye
this is the link:http://www.eurochemlabs.com/enanject
First of all, you copied this info from a website and are passing it off as your own. Thats called plagiarism.
Second of all, if you really think that 99% of the 1ml amps sold online are legit, then you must be delusional. There is an incredible amount of counterfeits floating around, some of them were even obtained in real pharmacies for example in turkey.
Anonbro...next time before seeing fakes everywhere also in turkish farmacy try to realize that steroids are illegal drugs...so please do not look for: " source to get some pharm grade gear here in Italy, I'd hate to have to order from the UK?" as you posted...because such a source do not exist either today or in the future. It is illegal to sell anabolic steroids in Europe, Usa, Australia, New Zeland etc etc
What are you talking about? This whole website is full of EU sources! Wanted to know if anybody had one that specifically shipped from Italy.
lol epic fail.
Anonare you sure ?
AnonMy friend...that is what Eurochem Labs states on their website: "We have not seen fake 5ml vials, cause these vials are also very hard to get and counterfeiters prefer 10ml. So, we can say that all 5ml vials must be real."
If the 5ml vials must be real because these vials are also very hard to get what do you think of 1ml amps since they are worthless for a counterfeiter?.
Draw your own conclusion...this is a free forum...so welcome to you...bye
this is the link:http://www.eurochemlabs.com/enanject
AnonI hate to jump in here but there is some faulty reasoning going on here.. because something is hard to get and the preferences are for something else in no way shape or form means that one can say something is real based upon difficulty of access and preference. I don't know what world your living in but where I come from anything is possible, however, unlikely it might be.
AnonYou are right sister. As you said in our world anything is possible. If I have aim, willpower,tools,money,great opportunity to gain a lot of moneys with low risk I'm going to do it. But think for a moment: what can discourage people to produce counterfeits? The more products are hard to get the more I am dejected to embark upon business. In real world we all use money to do transactions every day.How can you know whether the notes you have in your pocket are real? Because you know that it is the hardest thing to counterfeit. You touch the watermark, see the logo and you can be sure it is real.
In my country when counterfeiters try to reproduce notes they counterfeit 50€,100€, hardly 20€,even if possible because sometime happens,but I have never come across 5€ false. Why???..because it is worthless...NOT IMPOSSIBLE BUT USELESS...so if we apply the same analogy we are able to state that 1ml amp steroids could be counterfeited...absolutely yes...what for?...Why should I produce 10 amps of 1ml each if I can produce 1 only vial that contains 10ml of substance at 1/10 the price? Undoubtedly I can do it...but the question is:...is it worth it? If I think yes it is worth it then I will buy the equipment,raw powder, glass amps etc to embark on business.
Conclusion: what I meant was simply that you have the higher probability to buy a real product if it is in 1ml amp. That is all. I never stated that all the products manufactured in 1ml amps are legit and that the products manufactured in 10ml vials are false.What I meant was what I WROTE..."AMP: AMPS ARE DIFFICULT TO COPY, IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS REAL IF IN AN AMP."...almost always...not never...PERIOD.
AnonEpyco, you are correct and my point was really for those people who are quick to claim absolutes. . Tread has an excellent point though, who cares if it is counterfeit as long as it WORKS..
AnonThanks sister...
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonSo if I figured out buying 1ml amp of pharma grade manufactures it'd be almost always legit gear...wouldn't it? thanks
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonyes bro...99% it is legir gear...as I stated no counterfeiter produces 1ml amp because it requires a lot of money to invest in equipment. Counterfeiter want to grab your money as fast as they can with the lowest cost.