Should i even run a oral with my cycle ?
So as my previous blog i'm going to tun tri-tren along with sustanon,
was planning on running 3 ml per week of tri-tren 180 along with 2ml per week of sustanon300.
Now i was thinking of running winny along with it but my body fat % is not low enough to really see the results from the winny , so i guess my question is should i even run a oral ?
And if a oral is good to run what one is better ?
oxy,anavar,t-bol ?
my body fat % is around 20%. im looking to put on mass (lean) while looking to shred some of this fat i have on me .
Any help would be greatly appreciated .
Im going to be placing my order this coming week so any info from anyone who has experience would be greatly appreciated . I don't have a lot of experience with orals , i have always stuck to pinning , so i need some oral help lol ( not that kind lol ) .
thanx Venom.
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I will get that bf down to atleast 15% before running any cycle , your health comes first bro, diet and cardio will do the trick
Get that bf down below 12% and hit the anavar. It has a very low toxicity rate on your liver and will lean you out even more then the tren especially your mid section. But your diet is the key to making the var or tren work at an optimum level.
The tren will make an impact, especially if you can get your diet dialed in (I leaned out with only changing to the no carbs after 6pm thing Mike is talking about).
I have friends who religiously jump start their cycles with strong orals, I have others that never use orals (probably because they enjoy their beer too much) and use test prop instead.
I'm 40 and I'm on dbol right now and tbol will be next in several weeks. I will probably cycle until I have no drive left to lift (hopefully that's not for a couple of decades) but I will not do any more orals in a few years.
yeah i have done tren in the past . just tren enthanate and leaned right out ... of course my diet was spot on ... as for the tri-tren mix i have never done that . And i have never mixed tren of any kind with sustanon before either .. But have done them both seperately .
tread-mOk well let me go this route. First dont let me offend you at all I'm just working reality to help find you a better place and others will help as well. I'm with Mike on the body fat issue. Kinda doing the math here in that its been 4 years since last cycle and looking at your overall weight. My thoughts are in body recomposition as oppsed to lose fat gain muscle. You could go through a transition and maybe look as though you gained 20 lbs and realistically you lost 20 net and its because you lost 40 in fast and gained so much in muscle. So I have an idea that will be different than traditional thinking here but what are your specific goals, is it all looks and health primarily? Have you been training in the 4 years since your last use and have you had blood work to find current test levels and maybe even growth level? May be some underlying issue with low T etc. What is your lifestyle, active?
My specific goals are over all health and of course to look better ! I have been training non stop for 2 years now and i have dropped 60 lbs over all as i used to weigh 370. now i know when you hear 370 you think holy shit fatso , and yes i was heavy but no like you may think, now i had a body fat /lean muscle test done and out of my 308 that i weigh now 240 is lean muscle mass so i was told , im a tall very big boned man and the most of my negative weight was belly/ass and thighs . belly is almost completely flat now and legs and ass have gotten alot smaller that i can wear my clothes again lol . As for my life style my job has me sitting at a desk for 9 hours a day , so the only activity i get is gym first thing in the am after kids are off to school and then when i take my dog out for a walk when i get home from work at night . , i was going to the gym after work as well ( just cardio) for the longest time and this is what helped with the fat loss initially .
And no offence taken brother , im here looking for ideas and advice , so anything any one can help me with im game , i used to be in great shape and after my last cycle 4 years ago i was looking great at 270 with 12% body fat , i was then in a car accident that messed up my legs and back and for 1.5 years i could do nothing and p packed on the weight 100 lbs worth ... Training is not the issue neither is diet , but after being out of the game with gear for a while i need a refresher . And like i said orals have never been my thing ..
I had a physical done a month ago as my doc thought i may have been a diabetic , but all checked out fine ,heart,liver,kidneys, blood pressure /sugar levels , and when i was having trouble losing weight at first he tested my thyroid and test levels and they both checked out ok as well , so im good to go .
tread-mNice job on the weight. At your age and being out of it 4 years for purposes of blood pressure and reintroducing you back into it I'm thinking nice and smooth. Would probably run you a 12 week cycle with enanthate at about 500 and front load it with prop as well as taper the end with prop. Would run var starting week 2 at 40mg split, jump it to 60 split by week 8-11. Adex on hand and then talk between now and then about blast and cruise to give you the stability in the full hormone cycle . Would be a very mild HRT program and then you can easily run 2 pretty smooth cycles a year from here. Instead of trying to get back in shape here and there you stay in great shape, feel great, look better and the cycles are simply to improve on something that is near perfect rather than trying to keep yourself in a place where you dont fall further behind. Blast and cruise in other words for your age ia where I go if I'm in your shoes. So much easier to stay in great shape than it is to chase it periodically.
Fantastic .. now i can get my hands on prop and enanthate , but it is damn hard to find var.. any ideas as to where i can get var ?
lixus seems to be out for now on the var .
tread-mEhealthpill....good var
great , thanx bro , i will keep you posted as to how things go .....i really would like to thankyou for your advice as well as the other gentlemen who posted on here as well !
Venom
tread-mAnytime, take a good look at the cruise between now and then. Can be as little as 2 iu's of hgh ed and 50mg prop eod and you feel like a new man and look keeping undesired weight off becomes much easier.
im almost 39 . and over the years i have ran several cycles all injectables tho .
Im 6 foot 2 308lbs 20% body fat (? so the test told me lol ) I dont look 308 but i am , the last cycle i ran was 4 years ago .
I just came off of a clen /t3 cycle that lasted 4 weeks .
So now im looking to start a real cycle again .
Anontread-m is off to a good start with getting your stats first. I'd like to ad (and only honesty and no insult, Bro) You need to drop that BF and you'll see the muscle. IMO using gear to shed the last bit of BF for competion is one thing, but using it just to lose BF is something I never recommend to my clients. Drop the carbs after 6pm for 3 months and see what happens! The real quick fixes are the ones you lose real quick. The mind fuck of yo-yo-ing is all bad. Hope this makes sense. And IMO orals are for young guys. I am 47 and not pushing the envelope(that far....lol).
makes complete sense !
I will go the route of no carbs after 6pm and see where that takes me for sure .
I may have worded it wrong my main goal is not to just lose body fat on gear , losing some would be nice yes but that is not my over all goal , im looking to put on lean mass as well without holding much water and or fat in the process .
I am with you on the whole orals thing as i have never been big on them , but after being out of the game when it comes to using gear for a few years , i need to refresh and what better way to get advice from great guys like yourself and tread m and godeep, I have come along way from my accident and am looking to get back to where i was before my accident . This is the first time in my life that i have ever had to lose weight , i have always been lean and in good shape , not being able to move much after my accident for 1.5 years really messed me up in more ways than one . i got depressed , lost any motivation i had cause i was in too much pain to do anything , once i got over everything i was 100lbs heavier and felt like shit .
i have worked my ass off over the past two years to get back to where i am now and im only 38 lbs away from where i was before my accident .
I am back and looking to kill it hardcore , i want to be even better than what i was before i was in the accident , hell the wife has even started to pinch my ass out of the blue again and giving me those bedroom eyes now that i have gotten back to this point lol . i just need that extra push to get me over that hump .
tread-mAge and stats...how many cycles have you ran?