posted Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:10
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Need advice , I have low Testosterone
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Well before my cycle i decided to have my doctor give me a Testosterone level check last week, Well today i got a phone call from him saying i have low Testosterone and have to see him on monday for Hormone Replacement Therapy .. My last cycle was probaly 8 years ago so i know thats not the reason,,,But now i dont know what to do, After that Testosterone level test, i just started my cycle monday..What should i do guys am stuck,,,i need help,and Thanks
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stfuandliftbtchuhmmm he already did his tests. go in and get human grade
Update : ok seen doc today he gave me a shot of test dont even know what kind the nurse didnt have the bottle with her,,300 mg every three weeks and a total of 4 shots then they will give me another blood test at the end,thats what the doc is doing..
my test results are {127} Range should be 241-827 ng/dl for normal they say
Also doc gave me some anxiety meds today the good ones for 2months 1 a day..
This is similar to my story but I think I gained weight and BF due to low T rather than lost it... I have always really liked food.
I am generally affable, outgoing on the far end of the spectrum, type a, and it had me mentally crippled wondering what to do w/ my life...like really down thinking things a grown man should not be thinking as I have a wife and 2 girls that are pretty amazing.
I had the same side effects here generally - definitely all because of the Low T - I know it is a fact now. I had all kinds of other tests done and I am healthy otherwise...no other issues except the short list of scrapes and bone breaks over the years.
I have been to three docs, and a Low T place now. The Low T center was like a mill or factory - just interested in their money and low dose shots at about $ 120 per visit and a 30-45 minute drive each way... F - That....They flat out lied to me. One example: we cannot prescribe this for you to take home as that would be distribution.
A lot of protocol and wasted time and money honestly. I did not know any better at the time. Important things to do but a little more than necessary to make money, I believe in retrospect. i.e. - blood tests almost weekly at first - OK, complete physical, EKG, O2 uptake tests, complete blood work, hmmmm- ok... Then after baiting me and spending about 1k I get a first shot of 110 mg of Test E after a few weeks of workup and $ - WOW! f-me again!
I think it has been about 3 months now for me since all this started. The blood work/test of my T level was still low so they upped the dose to a whopping 135mg! WOW double fuck me...really did notice the Test but it was like being teased and baited.
Then I found ER...man has it been helpful to me. Keep reading and asking and listening and learning. I don''t know enough to give advice here but I can share some history that may help us both and others. Thankfully I have insurance that helped me through this. I did not have Insurance 2-3 years ago and went to a doc who tested my T levels. He put me on andro gel but at 400 bucks a bottle and little improvement I dropped it after finishing 2 bottles.
I have posted some of this before but I am sure it is way down the list as I joined a couple months ago now.
This may help:
I was low 200 T levels and even one test came in at 180-190 I think. After a few weeks of 110 mg -130 mg every ten days then weekly I was in the high 200's of maybe low 300's.
I then found E-R like I mentioned. I was amazed at the intel here. I decided w/ the friends made here to seek another doc until I found the right one. I went to 3 before I met the doc that was w/ me - his words " We can do this." I brought in my complete history and diet and workout plan. It was pretty impressive I must say. I am not sure how I was doing it but I was working out as hard as I could before the therapy. New doc prescribed 200 mg weekly to begin and let me also have my own needles, syringes, and take home scrip.
I can tell you I feel better than I have in years - now being approximately 1 month in on also adding 200-250 of Test Prop short ester every week eod. I feel much better.
The experience has changed the way I think. I am more in tune w/ my own body. I understand it better. I am thinking clearer. There has been some adjustment to the increase on T levels. Greater libido, so now I am chasing my wife around the casa again - all good.
The last test of my T levels was 600 plus.. about where I want to be for now. I have to say I am also doing some low dose var now also - but very low as I do have very mild BP concerns Lastly I have recently also added HGH to the regiment after much reading and advice and a shit ton of PM's w/ some very cool doods here and googling/reading books like a m-f'er every night...
Good luck! on the right track brother. I believe in it now. PM me if you want to share some ideas or experience.
wow bro,yeh i read your other post on this subject seems you have been through alot with this,am glad i finally figured out what it was from researching,Its like a circle taking meds i thought it was my celexa for anxiety and depression thought my body was getting inmunne to it then would have to try something else then suffer side effect and be there guinea pig.The reason problem was low t all the symtoms and side effects of the deficiency can make belive its something else and without finding the source of the problem i would be so called placing "bandaids" on the others. You have good info im glad i see someone going through the same stuff someone to relate too
New doc has now cut me loose for 3 months. I know I can work this now. I was also on some anxiety meds...not real proud of that. I was having trouble dealing w/ issues and sleeping. I did not know where else to go... I hated taking that stuff and never was real good about it so I was just churning inside. I am not completely cured but this has definitely improved my life like nothing else.
what anxiety meds?..they were giving me celaxa 40 mg daily?
I will take it to PM from here...about to head out for a couple days for work.
I will get back to you.
I agree somewhat if he has been juicin since a young age then most likely there is your answer if this is just recent it could be genetic. All I know is at 32 I was bustin four loads a day and still feeling like I was 16 but everyone is different. The question is even with low t how does he feel? Is it just a number or does he feel more tired,less sex drive and so on.
All good points. I can say I wanted to go to bed at 7 and could care less about laying pipe on a hot arse wife. I did not even want to play with my kids or nothing. I am just entering my cycle and starting to feel a few effects the main one is i want to play football in the house wiith my boys. We shall see.
Enjoy the cycle and the fun with your kids but when you are done with pct get checked out I bet your kids will want you around for a very long time.
I put my health first. I hear ya though bro. I will be under a Docs care the entire time. I do appreciate your view though brother. Its real.
If your test was just after a cycle that might be the problem,your natural levels haven't increased. 32 is a young age to have low test, when did you start AAS? I am always on the side of caution, if you have low test at 32 what would doing more cycles do to your your body or your life span? IMO if you want the best advice possible don't listen to anybody on here. Tell your doctor the truth and let him give you advice. It will be the best advice you can get.
I appreciate your stance. However not many Doctors are well versed in Low Testosterone. But I do agree that in the end they will know whats best. I will say however that no one knows what normal levels are. The only way possible to know what normal is is to test all men 2 times a year average out the total and then you have it. Also what may be high in one mans body may not be so high in another depending how there receptors react which gos back to genetics. Also a docotr is such a general term. I believe that someone needs to see a specialist not a general practitioner who only gos by what labcorp or some other testing facility says is normal. Everyone is different. All I can say is I am starting to feel better I am not on some medicine that changes the chemistry of my brain which is what my general doctor wanted to do. It amazes me that anti depression meds are just thrown on people. My advice would be to see a Urologist or a Endocrinologist. Just my thought though..
Man seems this is coming up more often. My doctor once his initial blood test is done will be blood testing me every 6 months. I will aslo say they wanted to use the gel however I let them know that I had cause for concern being I have little ones running around the house which I do. No need for my 3 year old to have a beard by age 6:). I asked about injections and they asked if I felt comfortable doing this. I replied that it was no problem being that I give myself regular injections of b-12. I also said a booster once a week was not an option for me due to my proximity to there office and the hassle in parking made it not so feesible. I left with a script for testosterone cyp @200mgs a week with 2 refills making a total of 3 vials, staxyn for erection disfunction and 50 syringes which actually in my state do not require a script but he did so for insurance purposes. After insurance I pay $23.50 for 10ml 200mg cyp Watson brand. I believe I will be getting with tread on some blasting and cruising.
tread-mThey likely wont test for a while. They will place you on low end therapy, all cruise and no blast. You will find you likely need or at least want more than they will give. If you want to continue using theirs so you have a script I would suggest low estered compounds such as prop for your test. This allows you to clear a lot of test from the body pre-test for next blood work up. Possibly even not using their test if self administering given it will be a long ester such as cyp or enanthate. Sounds as though you want to blast and cruise so its a tricky thing having to run bloods for doc.
Yeh bro i wanna blast it then cruise through, maybe prop ester will be good,thats a good idea, i want to have a script for it no doubt,But at there recommended levels im not getting the results i want to achieve. So maybe when i know blood work is coming ill just stop,then when my natural test isnt kicking on it shows it as low. waht you think?
tread-mWas really just generalizing. You are welcome to PM me. I would need all stats and goals along with how often will they test? Very hard to "just stop" if they want to test many times a year. Creates problems for you. Now if you mean continue to run their doses and drop your prop boost and maybe its not over 4 times a year for blood then I think that is a very workable scenario same on the var use for a little more qualityLater could look into some long esters if you knew you could get in and out of them in time for tests following depletion. Really are many different ways and even some more options once you get an idea of testing patterns with them. Just point blank ask when you are in.
hey tread, yeh i havent touched a cyle for around 8 years, And i recently been feeling like shit no sex drive, constanly tired no motivation and my muscles would always be hurting,They gave me all types of blood work everything saying normal they concluded and said it was Fibromyalgia because it runs in my family, little be known i asked for this test last week because i wanted to start a cycle i was planning on, And the test said i was extremly low in test.Now im reasearching if low t was all this my muscle aches ,depression,stress,low sex drive,massive wieght loss....now its starting to make sense least i have a direction before everyone was saying i was normal.
Other than possibly the weight loss, all those would be on the list.
Have you found at times your mind feels like it is in a fog ??
Things you use to remember clearly have now lost some detail ??
yeh bro..i take celaxa 40mg a day for 8 years and recently i started to doubt myself think the meds weren't working like they did..i do loose some short term memory and my anxiety is through the roof right now..i even space out at times eating dinner with wife and kids bro..they see the side effects from this as well. im just happy i finally got some type of direction of why i been like this for months now it was scaring me and my wife...so starting monday after i see my doctor i can live a so called normal life once again...i never realized how many different ways this can affect you..strange huh?
When the Test starts to kick in, you will notice your hand speed and your normal walking speed will take a big jump up. If your brain has started to shut down,..... a real fun thing is when a section of it kicks back in, it's like a couple thousand memories flash through your mind in about 1/2 a second (think: Total Recall), at first you'll go whoa,....what the fuck was that.
Take 1 - 1 1/2ml's of really good Test Prop100, EOD - E3D and call me when/if it happens.
I have always used long esters. I like the sound of using it before blood levels are checked. Also would not mind some totla recall:)
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hey bro,,well i ben using the test p now like you said,,holy crap do i feel much better still little foggy thinking sometimes, but i feel more energy and sleeping much better this week
How much, how often ???
Monday i started my cycle, i took 600mg test enth monday, 50mg test p on monday, wendsday,friday,took the test p for a jump start thats all.
doing 12 week cycle now
week 1-4 30mg ED dbol
week 1-3 test prop 50 EOD
week 1-12 test e 500mg
clomid at week 10 and nolva throughout cycle, first cycle in 8 years
I would have started with maybe 1ml of prop on Monday and then start to dial it back as the TestE came on. As your now a week into it I would carry on with the 50mg of Prop EOD till you get where you want to be and then dial back from there. Are you planning on TestE 500mg x 1/week or 250mg x 2/week.
The reason I ask is you didn't list a second TestE shot.
sorry,yes shot 250mg sunday, 250mg wensday,,thanks
Very good,......carry on.
The foggyness should go in a week or so.
OE2000Test-E at 250mg/twice per week is better for maintaining a more constant/stable level, correct? I used to do 500mg once per week, but now I divide it into 2 injections, say Sun and Thursday.
Yes and No
On cycle I would go 2x /week, Just doing TRT 1x /week, would allow him to feel the changes through the week and then be able to tell more what the Test is doing to him.
As he is in the blast portion of his program 2x /week sounds good.
When he goes to cruise, he could do once or twice a week.
OE2000Oh I got it, hence "blast and cruise" .... I always wondered what you and tread were talking about.... thanks bro, I got it now!
Great,....I now feel like I've do something today.
Also really hit on the lack of quality of life, can't get it up, no energy, no drive. even the stripper don't do it for anymore, your so tired your afraid you will get fired and lose you medical insurance. etc.
tread-mYeah and I think you're the guy to talk to about low T given yours is probably one that really emphasises the effects! Now if you can just get good labels and stay off the tren only runs! Lol
It was NOT by choice my friend. (The TrenE / mismarked vial, it said TestE )
I still have a ml or so left in the vial,..........if anybody wanted to test it!!
ETA: Make sure you don't do any Tren till you really get your Testosterone levels up.