Father and son cycle
Me and my ol pappy are about to run a cycle of test together, iv done my research on everything for mine and my cycle looks like this
Week 1-4: test e 250 mg bi weekly with 30-40 mgs of dbol everyday
week 4-10: test e 250 mg bi weekly
week 10-12: dbol 30-40 mgs
week 13-16: clomid 25mg E/d w/ nolva 20mg e/d
I have some arimidex on hand and might throw it in at .25 mg EOD.
Iv revised this cycle quite a bit and was wondering if anyone could find any finishing touches to it.
My paps on the other hand though i am a little bit stumped. I told him that since he is in his 50's we could just run a low dose all year and it would be like HRT, does anyone know what dose would work fine? Also has anyone ever tried a nolva and clomid pct? iv read reviews and alot of people say its the best of both worlds.
thanks,TheShadow
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@treadm The original idea was to get my dad on a year long of test. He isnt running this cycle with me just because of his age and his body doesnt respond to orals in a good way at all.
tread-mShadow I think you try to get Dad into a conversation about HRT without orals. Time is always chasing us and at his age it is now going to begin catching up to him. HRT will not stop that but it will give him the energy and speed to make it harder for time to catch him. It is very important to balance our hormones. Its why we slow down and age and have much of our disease as we get older, hormon balance allows the body to continue to be efficient as it was in our 20's. The medical coomunity cant survive by making people stay healthy, it thrives on allowing people to get sick and then helping you to not get any sicker by peddling meds that dont fix the real problem but rather it masks those real problems and keeps you spending that cash in their offices! I'll tell you the difference trying not to brag but giving you an idea of what I'm talking about. I took my 24 year old dughter for a day surgery on a tendon the other day and the Doc and 2 nurses told her that she could have her husband in as soon as she comes out. She says "no I'm not married my Dad is with me" . They said "thats your dad?" One said I thought maybe a l?ittle older sugar daddy but no way your dad! So no I dont look like I'm in my 20's at all but I have the body of a much younger man and the energy of a much younger man. My friends are all in their 20's and 30's, I dont have older friends because I dont identify with people who are my age since sitting on the couch and yacking does not appeal to me. Push Dad towards HRT, COULD i have talked my dad into it, he might still be here. Hormone imbalance is a mega problem for guys his age and 99% of docs will never address it because they know he is almost the age where they can begin to jackpot on all his problems. There is a better way....
where would i go to get him into this? his mind is open to almost anything so persuading him is not a problem. just keep in mind where i live there are more cows than people.
tread-mYou're here...lol. i could set him up on a simple HRT program and he would probably feel like a million bucks! Would basically start him out at about 2 iu's a day of HGH. And 100mg of prop eod at the beginning. With the same tools he could run a cycle once or twice a year and I could help with that as well. Maybe begin this way and get his. Hpg axis stabile and then jump him to a mild cycle in a month or so to really get his new life kicked off and then taper back down to HRT levels. If he is interested let me know...I have a reliable source for both and the growth has been confirmed and only 100 bucks a kit. Would last him about 50 days a kit off cycle....this is the blast and cruise method we are talking about, mostly cruise unless he aspires to get bigger etc. Let m.e know, glad to help with all he would need and set it up for you.
Thanks, if only everyone was as helpful as you, once i can start pming il keep you contacted. he might look at me cross when i ask him for an extra 100 to 200 $ for his gh so well just take it one step at a time but will definitly get to where your talking about soon.
tread-mYup...just hit me when you're ready.
tread-mI think Rods is on it there but your dad should go trt in fact full hrt in my opinion following cycle and drop the pct for him of course if so. At his age and his first cycle , he's gonna feel like hammered dog shit once he comes off of everything. He has gone down so gradually over the years and you're about to take him to the promised land and then kick his ass out at the dump when its all over. Happy to help him or you set it all up. I'm like H for you and pop, i'd front load for both with prop and run a taper at the end...just so easy....
the dbol at the end is a waste it is used only as a jump start so save the ones at the end until your next cycle
Ive used D-bol at the end of cycle and it wasnt a waste. Why do you think it is only used for jump starts? Actually it is more effective if started around week 3.5 on a test-e/c cycle.
I do agree it can also be used in the middle but at the end I don't. I look at it this way at week 12 you are up 30lbs. and you get all excited then you come off and after pct you only retain 10lbs. I like to finish my cycles with gear that retains the least amount of water so I can retain as much as possible. But I am not looking to get huge 190-200lbs and keep my 6%bf I would be a happy camper.
I used D-bol at the end of my cycle for the strength advantages...But you are correct it is better used during cycle. especially emoitionally.
thanks guys, do you think it would be fine rods if i just did 12 weeks of test e or do you think the prop is necessary? also what should i look for when it comes to liver damage off of the dbol?
Anon12 weeks is the optimal time for test e. Since your test levels will be high for two weeks before pct you can use the prop with no harm, imo it is necessary for all cycles with long esters. Best to take caution from the start with the dbol since it is harsh, dont wait for sides. Milk thistle is very cheap get some and run it throughout
Thanks buddy, il be getting the goods in a week or two, moving houses so you know how that is but il post how its going once i get this baby runnin
dansta123milk thisle is bunk..get some liv-52 ds from ebay-india/country..liquid or tabs..this is the stuff to get for protection...and a shit ton of water..keep flushing it out
AnonIt is not bunk you just have to take less caps with ds. I found that after a while liv52 ds is too much it did affect my appetite.
i would try and keep it simple no need for the prop imo, you could front load the cycle by injecting 1000mg for your first week and just use the dbol at the end of cycle, wouldnt bother with milk thistle myself no proof this actually does anything but if it makes you feel better you can run it with your dbol its cheap enough.
the prop taper (IMO) is he best way to ease into PCT after a long ester cycle (crash for 2wks or crash for 3 days - no brainer)
your right it is the best way was just going by what he said he had test/dbol, whatever its a 12 week test cycle, standard IMO, keep it simple.
AnonTo get the most of this cycle i would run it like this:
Week 1-10 Test e 500mg
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg
Week 10-12 Tprop 150mg eod
Week 8-12 Dbol 30mg
Week 12-16 pct 40/40/20/20
Week 1-12 0,5mg adex ed or eod
Weel 1-12 Milk thistle 800mg min ed
As long as you leave 4 weeks between the two oral stints and use milk thistle throughout you should be able to reuse dbol at the last 4 weeks. If you strech the test by 2 weeks to 12 you can leave 6 weeks in between the orals.
You will be a beast by the end of it although you may want to reconsider using tbol, anavar or winstrol for the last 4-6 weeks to get rid of some water. You will be carrying tonnes of water in pct with this.
Your pap shouldnt run pct imo when he comes off tell him to pin 250mg test e every week or 10 days. He can also switch to test c 200mg e10d at that point. For his cruise 0.25mg of adex e3d should be fine.
Sup Rods just wandering, whats the reason for runinig Dbol again toward the end of cycle. Just asking cause Im starting my first cycle soon.
AnonNot many roids have the strength gains of dbol, imo it overides test easily. Also if you are prone to gyno you can run it at the end since you will be on the nolva after a day or two which will make it safer to run. I dont get why people say it is a kickstart only no matter when you use it you will still gain 1lb per day and imense strength. If you dont mind carrying the water in pct I cant see a reason not too use it at the end. Personally i would run winstrol or anavar towards the end but he wants to run dbol that is why i suggested it.
hi mate your cycle looks good, PCT just up the clomid to 50mg a day and your good to go.
TRT dose's are around 250mg evrey 7-10 days, obviuslly PCT wont be needed if cruising.
would do abit of research into the pro's and con's of blasting and cruising could mean jabs for life, just somthing to consider, good luck.
c2c.