posted Thu, 09/29/2011 - 13:19
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Feeling really week after HGH injections
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Hi, i am a first time rHGH user and a pretty experienced AAS user. I currently am ending a four week at 40mg a day Dbol cycle stacked with 12 weeks of 600mg deca per week/600mg Test-E per week all started at the same time(so i have 8 weeks left). This past week i decided to start running 4iu per day(2iu in early morning and 2iu late afternoon)of rHGH, after my sub-q injection i am feeling extremely weak and i am also getting hot flashes. I know its real rHGH because i have been dealing w the same guy for years and it is g2g. What can be causing this? Also how do i stop this?
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tread-mThe usage should be staircased up as metioned here and for what its worth in my opinion the split is of little help. Your hgh for men is at peak at night and good in the morning so for my opinions I use it mid afternoon only. Want the over night pulse so I dont use to close to bedtime and peaked in the morning so I dont use then...mid afternoon makes sense. As to the spikes, I had them bigtime with peptides immediately after injection but with growth the staircase prevents it. It will also keep sides and joint issues to a minimum given the body has time to adapt in the loop. Now let me te?l you the most imortant part of what I see in your post...4 iu's and not using T-4? If you forgot to add to post fine but if not stay at 2 iu's until you get some. Hgh at bigher doses will slightly stall T-4 in the body which slows the conversion to T-3 and then slows the entire hormone loop slowing insulin production. This will give you bigger problems tha n you are having now soon..you will notice bloating and discomfort, feel sluggish and not be able to maximize use of your entire stack. Insulin is the catalyst for all that occurs in the body and to slow it slows everything...happy to help in PM if you have questions....
+1 cant vote lol
Good reply tread. I'm at 2iu now and maybe a little sluggish, but nothing like a couple days ago at 4iu. Like you suggest i am seeking some t-4 now and will be going up to 3iu for a week or two and then onto 4iu for about 6 months, of course with the t-4. Never used t-4 are there any sides i should be expecting?
tread-mNo sides really at these levels, dont forget in running over 2 iu's you have to run test to balance the loop as well. It all about balance in the loop if you want the body to use the hormone.
I'm a little confused isn't it hard on your thyroid to use T-3 or T-4 on a regular basis? I have just started with GH and I'm planning to use it for the next year.
tread-mNot even mildly...there have been studies about misdiagnosed people using thyroid hormone for years finding out they never needed it at all and thyroid returned to normal almost immediately...you have to remember, you are suppressing T-4 and the dose you use at 3 iu and up on hgh is simply keeping the loop at norm or slightly sped up so as not to stall.
What dose of T-4 do I use at 5iu? Right now I'm using 600 mg Test cyp and Eq at 600 mg a week and 2iu of Kigs trying to work up to 5iu. Stats: 40 years old 230lbs @16%
tread-mAbout half of a 100 mg tab daily. Using those volumes of hgh you will notice some bloating at some point. This due to suppressed T-4 which slows down the conversion to T-3 and finally a slight suppression in insulin production. The T-4. Prevents the stall and keeps igf-1 via the liver kicking. The insuli stall means you dont burn the proper amount of sugar and carb convesion causing unwanted effects.
Whats up Tread? Still at 2 iu a day and still feeling a bit lethargic for a couple hours after injection other wise all is good. Now you said to take around a half of a 100mg t-4 pill? Not trying to be a wise ass but did you mean mcg? When i check out the sites for t-4 it is usually sold in mcg. Just wanna make sure.
I'm going to have to try that, because being sluggish with a full time job, school 2 nights a week and 2 kids just isnt working for me. I'm gonna take it down to 2iu a day and see how that works. I have also read that it can have something to do with hyperglycymia and maybe taking in alot of sugars after injections. I slugged a can of pepsi down and it seemed like it may have helped a bit. Anyone here of anything like this?
Although I havent used HGH yet I have dont a bit of research on it and its pointing me to the fact that its normal for this to happen when you start using it. You cant really do anything to stop it but your body will eventually adjust to it as time goes on. One thing that tends to help people is to lower the IU dose and build it up. ASSUMING it is your first time with GH, 4IU per day is kinda high to begin. See if you get the same symptoms at say like 2IU and build up from there. If no symptoms I think you're supposed to increase dosage by .5 IU or 1IU till you hit where you want to be at.
Here is also something I found and it seems to describe what you're talking about: http://forums.anabolex.com/showthread.php?t=29919
Sorry about the spelling of weak in the headline. You know what i mean