posted Mon, 08/01/2011 - 08:02
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When do you take HCG??
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This stuff wasn't even around the last time I used gear. I've been reading all afternoon, including the how-to on this forum and have found three different approaches.
I'm going to rule it out as PCT as that seems to be the most controversial.
On a 10 week 500mk/wk test cycle I've read you should:
Run it 500iu a week from weeks 2-12.
Run 500iu a day for 10 days leading up to pct.
Come to think of it I can't even remember when atrophy begins on a test-E cycle, all I remember is suddenly noticing I'd had an attack of chronic raisin balls, which my supplier neglected to warn me about 8-o.
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HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus estrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.
It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy. Also, a small daily dose (10-20mg) of Nolvadex would normally be used in conjunction with HCG in order to prevent oestrogenic symptoms caused by sudden increases in aromatisation.
AnonAnd estrogen raises to coincide with the raise in test, from the hcg....oh fuckin forget it
Anon@Juicin14
No1 is talking about taking hcg by itself, were talking about pct. Take ur time wen reading. I give up on u
AnonAgain it also depends o wating what esters ur taking but I believe taking it during cycle is contradictory...please read my thread "the only pct program with proven results" and and make ur own decision. And AGAIN I keep hearing this aboutI not takinglol hcg withto pct can sum1 post sum proof of this like I have done with the power pct program....thanks
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkestrogen production increases with the us of hcg, this is due to its ability to increase aromatase activity in the leydig cells. when the testes are stimulated by hcg, the ability to aromatize androgens are increased several times greater than normal. but this also can inhibit testosteron production, so we use hcg as a quick boost to the testes. so this is why we use it during cycle instead of on pct, its contradictory to use something that can potentially increase estrogen while your trying to decrease estrogen and raise testosterone. its better to use hcg the last days/weeks while on cycle to boost the testes into production, while your still using an AI for protection and you also have test still in your system, given that your running test. and you can also take to much of hcg and can desensitize the leydig cells to the luteinizing hormone. in short can cause your nuts to not be able to respond to hcg and other ancillaries. and hcg should be used in conjuction with an ai or serm to prevent estrogen from coming into play. so if anyone wants to go and shoot straight hcg with no protection or steroids and see if they dont get gyno, you will be in shock if you dont believe this, you will get gyno if you use hcg without protection.
also hcg raises test correct? yes, and while doing so it increases estrogen. plain and simple
if my nuts are atrophied pretty bad, then i start with a 2000iu shot(depending on severity of nuts), then i shoot 500ius every 4th or 5th day until pct. the most common misconception is that its okay to use it during pct, which is contradicting, because your trying to boost natural test production, while hcg can suppress it.
I find that 500iu to 1500iu once a week works well. Last HcG jab on first day of PCT.
I agree with MadMatt. I did 250ius ed for 10 days prior to pct. First 5 days did sub q but was not feeling it. Last 5 did sack direct and they dropped like flies and back to normal size (and then some). Not sure if that did the trick or if I'm just a sadistic fuck. Either way, it worked.
Mad MattIts best to be taken during cycle or leading up to pct, not during pct as it can be further suppressive.
Towards the end of the cycle 500ius 2/3x a week works best...