FIRST CYCLE DURATION!!!!!!! (younger guys)
Hi all, Im going to be starting my first cycle. I already have the dosages, diet, and training style planned out so im not gonna be going into detail about that but Im sittin at 6'2 210 lbs at about 8-10% BF. What I wanted to know was do you think its better for younger guys such as myself (20's)to go on 8 week cycle or the standard 12 weeks? Basically Im running Test Enan, and Dbol So I wanted to know if it would be better to run it for 8 actual weeks (which would equal 10 after ester clears) or 10 actual weeks (which would equal 12 after 2 week ester clearance).I have heard from several other people that it is better for us younger guys to stay in the 8 weeks because we dont want to keep out HPTA shut down too long which they believe the 12 weekers will do. But then I hear "shutdown is shutdown" so you might as well run it for 12. I've also heard that PCT and recovery is easier for the 8 weekers cause you weren't shutdown as long. Any input from experienced user who have run several cycles is welcome. Thanks.
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Id say with the long ester go ahead for the 10 weeks with the 2 weeks off total of 12 weeks then of course pct but I run hcg during the cycle keeps the boys normal and for easy trans for pct(correct me if im wrong) as it keeps from being completly shut down. From my understanding
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dont put so much stress on the ester cycle duration, just do the test e for 10-12 weeks, then start pct 3 weeks after last jab. also like you have said, run the dbol for the first 4 weeks of cycle. if your going to run a short cycle then i would use short esters, long cycles long esters, but thats just me others may be differetn but it makes since.
Thanks bro. Really I appreciate it. Test p will be for next go around.
AnonUr doing test e so 12-14 weeks would be best because of the long ester. Personally I prefer the shorter esters cuz u get immediate results and u can do another cycle faster. I also believe its safer cuz its out of ur system faster so u can get back to normal faster. Only down sides is frequent inj.
Thanks bro. I think i'll def go with Test P next cycle. I just gotta get inj for this first cycle out the way. will def take heed to your advice next cycle. i dont think the pin cushioning will matter to me as much as the pip from prop :(
How do you count a cycle? I think an 8 week cycle is an 8 week cycle, which means you pin yourself 16x with the certain amount of test-e in our case.On a 10 week cycle you do it 20x.Your cycle ends on the 8th or 10th week.You have 2 weeks in which test-e clears from your body.The point is that your test level will drop dramatically.You cannot count those weeks as you're on cycle.At least I do not do it.
Also, I dont think that it makes a big difference whether you're messing with your body's test production for 8 or 10 weeks. Messing is messing man.
Well, my advice is that go for a shorter cycle and see how your body responds to steroids, and on your next cycle you can make some adjustment if necessary.
You can calculate how much gear you have in your blood while on cycle and based on that when to start pct:
http://pct.befit4free.net/
no 8 weeks is really 10 because it takes 2 weeks for the ester to clear. this is why you dont start PCT until 2 weeks after last shot. Also thanks for the link appreciate it. will look into it.
Man, I dont wanna argue with you, but dont count those 2 weeks.That period is called "coming off from a cycle" and it has more to do with PCT than the cycle itself.
oh ok. I'll just run the standard 12 then. probably get some HCG incase. also if you know a good domestic HCG service im all ears ;)
LG's right, but to answer your question about cycle duration that going to be base on the ester being used. Short esters should be ran for 8-10 weeks and longer ester ran for 12-16 depending on the compound your running. IMO you should put the Tren aside and save it for a future cycle, Run Test E or C for your first cycle like he said keep the first to about 10 weeks. The D-bol is being used as a kick starter kill it after week 4 by that time the Test should start to kick in. Use the PCT protocol he suggested and start it 2 weeks after last injection let the long ester clear your system before you start. By using this simple beginners stack it will let know how your body's going to respond to using steroids.
OCT - On Cycle Therapy
Armidex @ .5mg ED till PCT - (will help with sides such as bloat)
Letro - Always good to keep on hand and use as needed
TREN?! lol where did I write Tren? DEFINATELY wont be running Tren ANYTIME soon. that shit scares me but yeah I understand everything else that you're saying. haha I dont think you guys understand what I'm saying!! Im saying should I run Test e for 8 weeks which is really 10 after the ester clears or 10 weeks which is really 12 after the ester clears? cause I've heard plenty of times that is safer is us younger guys run it for 8 so our HPTA isn't shut down as long. Thanks for your reply anyway.
LOL...I must have misread that...Don't let Tren scare you it's some good stuff, It's something I include with everyone of my cycles just need the proper AI's on hand.
But I digress to answer you question you should run the cycle for 10 weeks 10 actual weeks don't worry about the 2 weeks afterwards...except for the purposes of PCT.(that's for Test E which is long ester).
Now if you want to run an 8 weeks cycle which is considered a short cycle then run all short ester compounds like Test Prop with a 4 week d-bol kicker..To your question concerning your age and duration and how long you will be shut down for can't help you there you'll have to do some research on that one never had to be concerned with that...I didn't use until my thirty's and now 40+..
Thanks bro. I'll heed your advice.
You still have your test level high at the age of 20, so if I were you I'd just wait a few more years to deal with steroids...
The common beginner cycle looks like this:
week 1-4 30-40 mg Dbol ed spread through the day ( half life is a few hours )
week 1-10 500 mg Test-E ew ( half life is 2 weeks, pin 2x a week 250 mg each )
PCT starts at week 12:
Clomid 50/40/40/40
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Enjoy it and good luck with your cycle.
Thanks bro I appreciate your concern but im def going thru with this cycle. I honestly don't see the difference if say my test levels are high right now and if they are still high somewhere in my mid to late 20's. its still a risk. Also I understand the basic first cycles but Im asking is it better for the cycle to be a few weeks shorter or just run the basic 12 weeks since im younger? I hear alot of the old heads saying its better for the younger cyclers to run it at 8 weeks which would = 10 after the enanthate ester clears but thanks.