posted Sat, 07/16/2011 - 11:00
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How much protein is too much per meal...?
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Just wondering how much protein intake per meal is excessive - i.e. at what point will it just be getting crapped out.
...and I mean by "Juicing" standards NOT medical standards...
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jzagThis is an old post but I wanted to bump it for some of the newer members like myself. I was wondering how much protein is too much protein per meal and what is the ideal amount, so I did a search and I found this post.
From reading the responses to this post there doesn't appear to be one unanimous answer, but there is some good valuable information that some of the newer members here could benefit from.
30-40 per meal. Any extra is either going to be pissed out or stored as fat
without any supplement or steroid or growth hormone etc... your body can only process 30 grams of protein per sitting, its been proven. the excess protein you basically piss out. intake of too much protein can be stressful on the liver, so be careful.
So your saying clean my body would not be able to take in say 25grams of meat protein with say 20 grams of casein protein at a time. Also would love link for proven material showing anymore than 30grams of protein per meal is worthless
...and even more so on your kidneys
On my "big" meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner) I get 50g or more. Probably closer to 75 most of the time.
For my in-between meals (Between breakfast and lunch, then lunch and dinner) I make sure to get minimum of 25g.
After dinner Ill usually drink a glass of milk with protein. (although tonight was an exception, I just ate a steak at midnight haha)
tread-mThe amount is not as important as the frequency which is relevant to your question I guess. The body in my understanding will accept protein about every 2 hours. I try to get 50grams (many times more)every 2 hours awake minimum ,when I can, cant always happen you know. It will use what it will use and discard the rest. I know what you are asking and too much could be an issue if not balancing the diet I guess and not getting the proper carbs and fiber. Proper diet in place I personally like to take in 50 every 2 hours minimum and then I know I have the ability to gain quality as the body will do so. As to the recommendations for a BB, the number is around 200 grams (arbitrary/individual). Your weight has a lot to do with it since the more you weigh the more you need. I use the over kill method using growth because my metabolic burn is much higher than normal with all the extra ghrelin production. Even so, I'm way above the norm and my advice would be more is better in terms of quality protein. I would not recommend getting those numbers when taken from fatty meats etc. Those volumes have to come from clean sources or you will pack on fat with your goal in terms of grams. If getting those with non-lean product or food supps I would suggest much lower grams in protein and probably stay at or below the 200 for building and even below 150 if working with a slower metabolism. So many variables from the metabolic speed issues and weight etc its just guess work and you have to see what your own body wants. For those wanting to shoot for those volumes in grams a little suggestion, plenty of fiber!
Always great info tread - what do you weigh? how tall are you? I thought I ate a lot
but yet to run my first cycle as you know...
Anonyou forgot to mention that you are also taking HGH which will certainly affect your ability to consume and utilize this amount of protein...
He said he was using growth
I agree with dawgfase completely. Great research bro. I checked a few things on my end as I was looking for similar information. Thanks for the contribution .....
I've put on 35 pounds from my cycle eating at 4k a day. My macros is 280-300g/P 300-330g/C and 140-150g/F. Each meal is about 40-80g/P per meal. I've had no problem gaining body mass.
Sorry. Didn't mean to spam your thread.
One addendum: If your protein source is human flesh, you can eat as much as you like and none of it will get crapped out. In "Pumping Iron" when Arnold referred to eating "pounds of meat", that's what he was talking about.
jzagWow, I didn't know Arnold ate human flesh. Cool story bro
Been doing a lot of research into this lately because of the amount of money I've been spending. The general rule of thumb is that it depends on the type of protein- biological value and rate of absorption. Faster absorbing proteins- pure whey and soy are wasted beyond 30 grams and have to be ingested in small, frequent amounts to avoid wasting it. Slower absorbing proteins- caseins (cheese, and the powders 4-6 hours), meats (especially lean beef and pork 4-8 hours) can be consumed in greater quantities since the digestion and breakdown take much longer. My personal favorite after a grueling workout day is a 20oz. lean steak (120 grams) right before bed to essentially bathe my body in 8 hours of time released protein. 30 gram whey shakes are great first thing in the morning, and right before and after workouts. Also the bigger problem than just crapping out excess protein is the mileage it puts on your kidneys. Kidney failure is a problem for a lot of guys in there 40s and 50s who've been bodybuilding and eating too much protein for decades.
So in the terms of an isolate protein, having a quick rate of absorption if im not mistaken, can be taken in 50 ish grams at a time and not waisted?
I was reading an issue of Muscular Developement last night(Aug 2011) and this very question was covered(non-juicing though) Now the number wasn't what would be digested, it ALL will be, the number had been what was anabolically beneficial which capped at X(can't rem exact number)grams leucine per kg of bodyweight, so something like whey protein which has an aminoacid profile of around 12%(which is high) would be about 30 grams for 100kg person before it's not beneficial, for other proteins whose profile of leucine could cause the number for the same 100kg person to go higher than 50 grams. So in short, it depends on bodyweight and what types of protein you are eating. Feel free to check my source for exact numbers, just going by what I can remember. Also, this has no juicing refferences, so I suspect those numbers should rise if juiced.
I heard about two years ago that your body can only digest 50 grams max at a time. I do not know if this for sure, I need to research it. Again this is what I heard anyone else have insight?
beavisI have read that 30 grams is the max your body can break down at one time, the rest converts to fat or passes through.
There is no set amount that your body breaks down at one time. It's a little more complicated than that. Your body will use more when it needs it (around workout time), and it also depends on how quickly the protein is digested. Food isn't digested all at once. It takes time. Whey isolate is pretty fast acting so it's good post exercise in controlled amounts. Casein is much slower burning.
In the end, it's best not to worry too much about the details and just meet your protein quota for each day, and you'll be fine.
beavisI agree I think as long as you get the total amount per day you are good.
That only for non-athletes.
I was taking in 200grams daily in pretty much 2 1/2 meals. Workout and cardio in the morning then 80 grams of whey protein. Sometimes 20 grams of some kind of protein mid-late afternoon, then 80-100 grams of protein from beef or chicken before bed. I was mid cycle and making no lean gains. Did some research and switched things up to as follows: 30 grams whey after waking up / before workout, 30 grams whey after workout, 20 grams mixed protein every two-three hours until dinner around 9pm where I get 40-50 grams from lean meat, and then a 30-40 gram casein shake before bed. Total protein is the same, but spread out and consumed in short absorbing or long absorbing sources according to activity and whether I'm preventing catebolism (cardio) or promoting anabolism (especially during sleep when the bulk of muscle repair takes place).
The bottom line was I was completely wasting nearly 1/2 of my protein intake. After switching things up I have gained 8 lbs of lean body mass everything else (workouts, gear, total grams of protein, etc) being equal.
It's pretty well established in the world of nutritional science that it does make a significant difference for athletes to target the times, types and amounts of protein intake towards the different points of our daily metabolic cycles- workout, rest, sleep.
Thanks for that info. Good stuff! I like to think of my day as staying on a protein drip. If only I could hook up an IV!
Some fairly recent research suggests otherwise. See below link for a study from '09. It opens into a pdf file so you can save and view it.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1799261&d=1241...
I just skimmed it, but from what I gleaned, the protein supplement was a mix of types including casein, so it was slow absorption in all cases. They also only tested for differences in groups who consumed pre/post work out, or morning and night, or none at all. Given these three groups I would not expect significant differences either. What would be more interesting and applicable would be testing a group who consume fast-absorbing pre/post workout plus slow absorbing before bed vs. a group with no supplements.
Not sure about juicing standards, but for normal people that sounds right, ofcourse we all have slightly different body chemistry so results will vary. I would imagine juicing would increase that number some, possibly alot but just speculating, I may look it up in my human metabolism textbook, though it probably doesn't go too much into steroids effects on digestion since it's not a seroid handbook. If it does i'll repost with better info.