In flux of bunk gear, What to do and future cruising plan
As title says. I'll speak facts and answer along the way. For those that read until the end. Thank you
Here is what I was doing
Test E: 500mg weekly
Mast P 100: EOD
Anavar: 50mg ED & 25mg pre workout
HCG: 500IU weekly
Started August 16th
At the beginning I was completely skeptical as I tried a new source with great prices, knowing it could be to good to be true, I might be living it right now.
About September roles around and my strength and pumps absolutely skyrocketed. I'm a former gym rat who hasn't lifted in years but I know the motions and enough about diet to have a good foundation. In my mind I always wondered if it was bunk but when I left with pumps and great recovery I changed my mind. Here is what happened.
The Anavar ran out which is a good thing as it was about time to take a break for the liver. I wasn't panicking as this is just common protocol. It was also about time lower the Masteron so I cut it down to only 100mg on shot days, lowered the testosterone to 375mg a week too. This makes it
250mg of test E and 100mg of past prop on Monday 125mg of test E and 100mg of mast prop on Thursday
I had and am experiencing a complete and total crash. The amount of weight I could push drastically dropped, I accounted that mostly to the Anavar cycle. But quickly later my recovery time is way way way to long. So I dropped down to 5-9 reps per set. No go. Same results. Pumps are of a natty and I've quickly lost size. I'm really fucking pissed.
I've done gear before. I've run 1000mg of test before and came off the right way and have been completely happy with the come down. I've also done 600mg of Test E with 800mg of Equipoise and then cut down to 300mg of Test E when I was done. Thrilled with the results and I remember I could still get pumps so heavy that it limited your range of motion for an hour after your workout.
What I think is. The Anavar was real and the oils are either underdosed or complete bunk. Even this morning I woke up and could feel it. It doesn't make me feel good as I pressed my body hard the last days of the anavar and now my muscles are straight traumatized without the gear aiding recovery. I'm also beyond pissed that my gains have rapidly disappeared.
This is what I'm thinking for a quick fix. I have high quality stuff coming from a old reliable source but that could take 60 days. You know how customs work. So demonically this is what I'm thinking.
600mg of a mix
270mg Test Decanoate
130mg Test Phenylpropionate
130mg Nandrolone Decanoate
70mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate
200mg of Masteron Enanthate
Monday: 300mg mix & 100mg of Masteron. 250IU of HCG
Thursday: 300mg mix & 100mg of Masteron. 250IU of HCG
Adex will be used accordingly just to monitor acne and I already have gyno (stupid newb shit from years ago) so it would be taken anytime my nipples seen puffy
9-10 weeks
I'm in a recovery home. So the Masteron is a must for it's anti estrogenic properties. Trying to keep acne on the low. We are entering sweater weather so I'll save the sleeveless shirts for the gym.
Assuming my gear from my old trusted source arrives. Here is the "cruise"
Testosterone Enanthate: 300mg weekly split Monday and Thursday
500IU of HCG split up Monday and Thursday
2IU of HGH Mon - Fri. No HGH on weekends for financial reasons.
If it that point I witness yet another crash than I'll at least be happy that I won't have to freak out if I bought bunk gear. The US domestic is coming from a widely used and well-known site. My old source. Is very well trusted.
I feel I bought bunk/underdosed gear where only the Anavar was dosed properly. Because this crash is abnormal considering I'm still using. I understand you will lose gains and strength. But @375mg Test E and 200mg of Mast P weekly. I feel completely drained and flat. The 600mg mix is to redeem myself from the anavar use. 300mg cruise is at that dose because I feel good on that dose. Speaking of which. I feel like crap on this potential bunk gear.
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You lowrred doses and misusing mast prop?
Oh ya its definitly bad gear bruh!!! JUST STOP
Misusing it because he’s only doing twice a week or because he’s using it as his AI?
@Rosschestzip read his complaint. He lowered doses and dropped 1 chem out. Stopped feeling the effects. Duuuuh! Lol!
The Anavar ran out which is a good thing as it was about time to take a break for the liver. I wasn't panicking as this is just common protocol. It was also about time lower the Masteron so I cut it down to only 100mg on shot days, lowered the testosterone to 375mg a week too. This makes it
250mg of test E and 100mg of past prop on Monday 125mg of test E and 100mg of mast prop on Thursday
Thats users fault. Dudes trolling.
Ya lol about a gram of gear plus orals drops to trt+ and thinks the steroids are broken lmao
It’s like when guys first get on “I started 200mgs of test a month ago and I’m not huge yet, when am I gunna feel like Superman? When will I put on 30 pounds of lean mass? Is it fake?”
Learning curves boss. We all been there before.
I bet. I'm not butt hurt over the negative criticism. Stubbornly I still stand where I'm at that something is off. I mentioned that I'm aware of the decrease in testosterone you'll get coming down. But to be on 375mg of test and recover like a natty? At 375mg you should still feel pretty fucking boss. Especially where my receptors are not as calloused as some longtime users. When you couple this with the fact that it was anavar not abombs and multiple other reviews complain about fake or underdosed. It is a learning curve.
The only thing I can do is watch for it the next time I take orals and compare from this experience. As I said. I expected a decrease in performance. But I'm writing because I fell flat on my face. I think that is being misunderstood completely.
I'll write another post about my plan to remedy this situation because I feel like shit and I'm on 375mg of test. My Spidey senses are still telling me something is wrong. Even if I'm wrong about it being bunk.
Ummm...no.
Alright. Next time I do orals I'll watch for this sudden drop. If it's consistent with this trial sure.
But to already have 500mg of test E circulating into your system for 10 weeks. Come off of 50mg of a mild aas and feel a harsh crash? Ugh can we talk about my plan to push forward already?
“I just took my first shot and I don’t feel anything yet?! Bunk Gear???”
Have legitimately had dudes think they minor doses of steroids would have effects similar to recreational psych drugs…
If you read my whole post.
I talk about coming off of 1000mg of test and happy with results, felt great after, could still lift great and lost minimal gains.
After that, I did 600mg test and 800mg eq. Dropped to 300. Stayed ripped for a year before I relapsed into alcohol and had my shit stolen. I'm just starting back again.
Dropping to 300mg after the eq cycle. Like I said, it gets so swole that I had limited range of motion. Pumps would still last 72 hours later.
Compared to previous experience; it's ironic to why I'm seeking help.
Also, I've read plenty into this stuff before I came here. This isn't my first cycle and I did 300mg of test for a year and a half with 3.33UI of HGH. Was thrilled that the eq cycle did its work and could still lift heavy
When I say something is wrong and the source I picked has similar complaints from other random people. Some from this sight. Maybe you'll read my whole post next time brother
Rereading it 100 times doesn’t change anything. Also eq stays in your system forever. Also I’ve never came of a cycle and felt the same and had the same results every time, sometimes it goes better than others. Also your brain has funny way of remeber things in a positively altered way, the past always seems better than the present brother.
The fact remains that you were on orals and dropped them, then complained about the decreased effects. Also the other cycles you mentioned where you claim the effects lasted after, didn’t contain orals. Those cycles were slowly secretes from your system over a pretty long period of time. When you dropped the Anavar it was gone the very next day. The Anavar missing from the cycle would be noticeable immediately, where as you could drop eq and not ever really notice until one day down the road you’d say “hmm I don’t feel ON anymore”. He read it correctly, we all read it, and the consensus is the same. The gear may have been bunk but highly unlikely, much more likely a user error
I tried.
When 50% of other reviews complain about exactly what I'm talking about. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned the bunk gear and gone straight into my cycle plans. Which if you read. I'd right there, still looking for input
Bloods or it didnt happen. Unfortunaltely yours is a user error. Prove/disprove gear is by blood testing. Too many scammers out there. In future post before cycle. 300mg is not a cruise. Your cholesterol and overall life will be shortened.
Again to fall flat on your face @375mg of test with a person who has receptors that aren't calloused yet. I get the skeptical part. But when I say I fell flat on my face. I mean I crashed pretty bad.
Out of all the replies I've gotten so far. I'm actually surprised a troll took this much time to come out from under the bridge. Haha
Should probably check out a dudes profile before calling him a troll....
Sandman3698
It was a joke. Hence the "Haha" at the end of my statement.
Sarcasm doesnt always translate through text.
Just replied to your PM bud
People may not agree with me on this but I think there’s almost no fake gear out there. I do t think you’ll ever see fake test, tren, nandrolone, or masteron. Fake primo, hgh, orals, peptides and all that exotic shit, sure.
The worst you’ll see is test sold as other things but I doubt you’ll ever just get raw oil when buying test, tren, mast and NPP/deca.
Maybe if your buying of instagram or TikTok but any source on here or other forums, I just don’t see it happening. Raws are cheap and you don’t need to meet the right connections and get involved with the street dealer and all that shit. The weakest little nerd in south Wisconsin can order 10,000 pens of geno tommorow if he wants. Plus the internet talks. If you got fake gear with the label “Billy bob cock juice” then they’ll get blasted online and no one will buy “Billy bob cock juice”
I just don’t think it happens anymore. But with Orals hgh, and primo your on your own tho. What y’all think? Am I way off??
...Id still buy it just so I can have a vial labeled "Billy Bob cock juice".
Same. I’m like a gear collector, like I’m actually disappointed I don’t have any bunk vials from the DC drama, just to have it in the collection.
Quite simply, trying to replicate taking 50mg of Anavar per day by upping Test and a few other bits is not going to happen. 50mg ED of Var is going to give hellish pumps and brilliant strength increases if it is good gear. Powerlifters now run this instead of Anadrol 50's to get the same strength increases without as many bad sides. If I go from running 50mg Dbol per day to just Test and NPP (keeping the oils the same level) then everything changes, you CANNOT keep the same numbers and reps even though the total amount of Var per week is only 350mg. Adding in an oral simply does wonders for increasing recovery times workout to workout too. If things were going brilliant before you stopped the anavar then it wasn't ALL down to just taking Anavar tablets, couldn't of been. Dropping the masteron from 350mg to 200mg per week will be felt also, that stuff is great for generating additional nervous system and muscle contractions. So effectively you are on 375mg Test with no estrogen because the Mast is killing it. Gotta remember bro that the gear that works Magic tends to be the stuff you have to take breaks from unfortunately
And the professor has spoken..
Well said sir. I was thinking the orals Def kick hard.
LMAO
How you doin buddy? Any Trick or Treatin
If any kids come a knockin give 'em those Superdrols ya got left!!! LMFAO
I completely agree and will take this into consideration.
But as mentioned before. From previous experience. I ran 600mg of test E and 800mg of Equipoise for 16 weeks and cut down to a cruise. Sure no orals. But to have a complete crash like I'm experiencing? I've only done Dbol prior to that and was able to inject test E in time. Didn't experience this. However. I'll keep what your saying in mind. I am here to learn from my mistakes too. Thank you
Seriously bud, there are many great labs on here that also sell great Var with all the Janos up and bloods to back them up
None of us know including yourself if its bad Testosterone or not thats causing this, only your own bloods or a Jano (which they must have on their site?) will tell you this.
It's true. But from memory of running previous gear. The amount of crash I'm feeling is suspicious. I thought about my previous Equipoise cycle. I know it stays in your system for a long time and has a long half life but even with that considered. The decrease in performance wasn't worth writing about like I am here. Same when I came off of 1000mg of testosterone. I expected what was going to happen but this is a nightmare in comparison. I think the real conundrum is what your saying. Without lab work there is no way to know. I can say this. I'll be taking my business elsewhere
Is this just 1 bad workout where your strength seems like its plummeted, or is it continual ones even when you are fully healed? We can all have bad sessions here and there where we wonder what the hell caused them, then the next minute be on cloud 9 again like it never happened.
Repeated.
Recovery times are "natty" like. Strength dips everywhere. They were not subtle. ATP or whatever controls fatigue after exhausting efforts leave me tapped. Leaving me with that "my workout should stop here" feeling somewhat to soon. Reps took a serious dip, where even a reasonable 5-9 reps was demanding. Before, it was like I couldn't even feel recovery, like I knew my muscles were on their days off but I didn't feel soreness. Not that I'm trying to sound like I just miss the high output while on cycle. But I firmly would like to say that @375mg of test with the Masteron should very much, at the least, still supercharge your recovery and maintain some strength.
When I have to think of my last supplier and run, it didn't leave me in serious doubt. As mentioned, when down on 300mg of test E I could easily get so swole that it would limit your range of motion for an hour or so. I still managed to develop new fibers, just not as fast. I'm just in serious doubt and have been since the first couple weeks from use.
This stuff seems to make me tired, I don't remember that. Mind you that while on blast, tired or not, I could still tear shit up (at my body's given ability to go all out). But I couldn't help but notice a consistent tired feeling.
As I said before. I am going US from a very well trusted supplier for fast relief. The 600mg mix with 200mg of mast. I don't want to run a full blown cycle again, especially with unknown potency with my current gear. It's to hold me over. Yes. Running 800mg total of gear is for fun, the other route is test E with prop shots to front load, logical but I'm curious with the 600mg mix.
When I get my trusted 300mg doses and HGH. I'll probably be on cruise for a minute. The 800mg cycle is more of a fun bridge than a serious cycle. If I feel the same with the 300mg doses later. I'll accept it. But like I said. 300mg of test E from my previous supplier and I was the happiest dork you'd ever meet.
Let's be honest. Right now @375mg Test and 200mg of Mast. I feel something is definitely off. Yes it isn't a blast of anavar with mast EOD. But at those doses. You should still feel like a god in the gym. If you will.
I'm curious who this lab was now.
Ditto. With all the testing available I feel like a good source will get the new batches tested and NOT sell if they themselves received bad shit... Or maybe Im wishful thinking.
I had wishful thinking when I made the decision with this lab. If I'm right. To run an anavar only cycle with underdosed/bunk gear is dangerous. Now I did make gains, go figure. I think even an anavar only cycle would push you into supra doses of testosterone but damn. No ****ing way I would go into it alone if I knew. It's a learning experience. But it's embarrassing. To push that hard at the gym. Get noticed by the regulars. Then come in and struggle with lighter weight. I left with my tail between my legs. Gear is far more common nowadays. But talk about a dead giveaway man!!
Just know it isn't a lab I'd try again in a very long time. Anavar seemed real. Even then. The pills were horribly pressed with a bunch of dust at the bottom of the package.
Ive only ran anavar a few times now and like it but cant get above 35 mg or my back kills. Ive left the gym a few times not finishing my workout lol
The anavar being real and Everything else fake is the complete opposite of what you'd expect.
Maybe your receptors were used to the dose you were taking so when you dropped it just wasn't enough to really feel anything.
Dust at the bottom happens. Especially once u open the pack and air gets to it.. then the bags getting put under shit or wrapped up.i have leaks from a source that are pressed like they were done in a factory color coat on outside an everything. I have about 6 packs rubber band together. Well most every one has some crumbs and broken pills at the bottom. I've gotten packs of nolvadex from DP and almost every pill was broke and there was tons of dust. But they worked. That's no indicator of potency.
Well why not let the community know so they can maybe take head to what you're saying.
U want help and info. Why not help and share your info that's what this is for.
Fine
Purple people eaters
They get mixed reviews and others have complained about what I'm talking about. From what I read, the RULES are fine but their finished products seem to run into problems. Let me put it this way. Last time when I ran 600mg of test E and 800mg of Equipoise and dropped to 300mg of test after (former reliable lab from the past). I absolutely did not run into this problem I'm facing right now. Crashing didn't even come to mind and I kept a hella lot of gains.
Buddy, they aren't even listed on here. I have seen what they offer in terms of finished products but never tried them. I guarantee if you try one of the US Domestics on here or indeed pretty much any Source you will not have this problem. I must say though, I would be surprised if they chose to under dose their oils which for them to personally make will be cheap as peanuts to do!!
They are, or were... Source is delisted due to violation of eroids rules: Sales of Schedule 1 Drugs, raw materials etc.
Yeah I'm pretty sure i saw them on here a few weeks ago when i was browsing through the source talk pages.
Ah yeah i was checking their page out a few weeks ago.
Maybe they're not good with consistency.
That page layout is real basic too which could Make u think that's how they save money to charge so Lil right. Lol.
Yeah so u just answered my thing i said before too so disregard that.
Double Post:
Another idea was to get Test E 300 and some Test Prop 100.
Take 300mg weekly with 100mg of test prop EOD for 3-4 weeks to pump the gear back into my system. I'd still take the Masteron for it's anti estrogenic benefits.
The reason for the 600mg mix is I always wanted to try Deca. I know it isn't a heavy dose but that's a good thing. With my current living situation, I can't walk around all massed out. Not yet. I typically respond quickly to gear. Apart from that. I'm OK having to wait so long for the Deca to kick in. As I transition back to a cruise it'll be nice to have lingering effects of decas long half life.
Why am I not doing the 600mg mix for 20 weeks? Well finished off anavar and even though I do believe the oils were bunk. I'd like to respect my receptors.
Again the 300mg cruise. I feel really good mentally on it. That's pretty much why. Plus this time I plan to take gear nonstop into my 50's or a health issue arises.
I have been fortunate to never have bought bunk gear. At least not knowingly. I'm sure 10 years ago they were putting low dose dbol in capsules and claiming that it was anavar. But with blood work and labs that test gear, it holds the sources accountable. One question man, what is your reasoning for running the HCG protocol you are? If trying to keep your nuts on, all of the current data shows 375mcg eod. I do 500mcg eod when it is not from a pharmacy. Just to be safe.
Thank you for the thorough layout bro!
Was taught and learned to run 500IU weekly and save the higher doses for PCT. I don't think I'll be running an actual PCT for awhile, I plan on staying on this time. Yeah it's the keep my nuts on. I could see 750IU weekly but perhaps my receptors are still fresh enough for it. Idk
Bloodwork is the only way to truly tell brother man. Get a baseline and stay consistent with it. All of your questions would be answered very quickly… would also prevent you running bunk for a whole cycle
I'm totally regretting not getting any blood work. I don't think there's a point right now where I feel like I'm crashing. I will however. So it for sure 6 weeks into the new gear.
Thanks for your reply