+ 1 How To Become Tren-Dick Proof
Hey bros!
It has come time to enlist the help of the Eroids Pros
Long story short my penis fell off after my 10 week 300mg Tren E 150 Test E cycle at the end of 2013. It was my 3rd cycle ever.
Libido was insane on cycle, and I only had hardness issues towards the last few weeks. While waiting for the Long esters to clear, I ran 500 mg test prop for a few weeks and had INSANE bloat and got a little gyno.
I was a dumbass and did not use a dopamine agonist and when I used aromasin it was too late.
Ever since, despite doing the smart (idiotic) thing by running abother tren cycle with legit cabaser, hcg, aromasin, and later, out of desperation, a prop only cycle that ended last October, my libido and erections have been in the toilet. Bloods were all good after second cycle. 800+ Test, 142 out of 150 free test, good e2, undetectable prolactin. Yet neither libido nor erections improved.
Up until I started taking Choline CDP, Sulbutiamine , and Catuaba a month ago, my life and my relationship has been shit. Luckily after taking these three supplements that increase dopamine receptor density, I seem to have a relatively normal functioning penis and am interested in sex again.
Now, either some or all of several things happened
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Psychogenic ED came about by the GF freaking out about legit Tren induced ED
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Insane libido from tren over stimulated my dopaminergenic reward pathways and essentially desensitized my brain to sexual situations
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Tren hates me longtime
Since there is nothing else like tren, and after losing some hair off of 750 test prop only and no hair loss w tren, I am fantasizing about another go with tren.
My question is, have any of you experienced tren dick and we're able to resolve it through an increase of ancillaries? I see that many don't find a solution.
I feel that maybe if I run the cycle correctly from the very beginning and not "chase" the issue, the GF won't panic, I won't panic, and psychogenic ED won't rule my life again.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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If nothing definitive turns up, you might consider another run with HCG and/or clomid. Also, deprenyl works well to increase the sex drive, and it can be used in low doses to great effect.
Just a side note, I know I have counters or questions to everyone who has come in here, please do not take that as a lack of respect.
I came to this board because I know what you guys are doing and you take AAS seriously enough to not get dirty mexican Test for $150 a vial in an LA Fitness parking lot.
I appreciate all responses here, Tren is a strange beast and everyone responds to it differently and it's good to get info from every angle possible.
So, have any of the vets here been able to successfully force Tren to agree with them after some failed attempts?
You keep saying prolactin was un detectable... If that means your level is 0 then... I recently found out that's a bad thing and can cause low libido and ED.
If you're doctor is an asshole then go get private blood tests to test all test levels, estrogen levels, prolactin, FSH and LH. If anything is out of whack then take the results to your doctor, or find a good doctor.. matter of fact if you don't like your doctor then find another one anyway.
My bad, prolactin was 1 where normal was 2 and above.
I am relatively good now. I do not believe low prolactin was a problem as I only took steps to reduce prolactin in the second cycle. And there was no period on that cycle where a resolution of issues occurred, which would have happened if I had prolactin in perfect control before it got too low.
It is well Known that many users develop psychogenic ED when using 19-Nors, I believe this is what happened to me.
And yes I'm changing doctors, he was my first doctor since having insurance.
My question still stands. Have any of you guys successfully countered tren sides AFTER experiencing them? Whether it was from an increase or addition of ancillaries, what did you do??
You have not mentioned your LH or FSH. These are two critical hormones in the recovery process. In fact the standard protocol for men with low libido and low test is a short cycle of HCG. This is to kick start FSH and LH into communicating with the pituitary. This is called a negative feedback loop. Read This! Feed Back Loop.
If your test levels are higher than what your body's natural production is normally, your LH and FSH will shut down because your pituitary recognizes you are producing too much testosterone. Your E2 could also being on the lower side because of the AI's you were taking. Tren and other 19 Nors are very hard on the HPTA and require a more aggressive PCT than the standard one here on Eroids.
This is why it is important to be well versed in the compounds you're taking and especially be diligent about blood test throughout your cycle and before. This will give you baselines and bench marks to go by.
What were your levels before you ever started a cycle?
I took hcg at 500 iu the entire cycle plus a blast of 1000 iu eod at the end prior to a 6 week pct of clomid and torem.
Your second paragraph is all true, but even IF my body shut itself down from test being too high, it would have found a sweet spot somewhere along the line where it climbed up from pct, and hit it again on it's way back down (In terms of libido and erectile function).
Fsh and LH were not tested because, well, my doctor is an asshole. And I wasn't concerned bout them AS much once I saw my test in the high 800s. My concern was libido.
Remember , I did a Test only cycle later and that didn't really change things. Hcg as well.
This is why I believe things just got out of hand in my mind from experiencing legitimate physiological Tren dick from the first tren cycle.
Whether or not it was a combination of psychogenic ED and atrophy/desensitization of dopaminergenic reward pathways, the bottom line is that I'm finally doing a lot better, and I'm picking your brains to see if anyone who has had similar negative experiences stemming from tren was successfully able to counter sides (in the same or subsequent cycles).
Since I got gyno from 300 Tren and only 150 test, I'm guessing it upregulated the shit out of my Estrogen Receptors (Progestins upregulate ER) thus leading to the original onset of ED. Perhaps going tad heavier on an AI would prevent this problem again, along with the standard ancillaries.
Thoughts Vets?
EDIT: I meant that estrogen upregulates PR***
Did you gig me a point for that response?
I'm not sure, I'm a noob here, but I just did thumbs up you
Not a big deal. Just was wondering why you did if you did.
Off the wall question, but do you smoke? Nicotine has been shown to cause a hardening of the arteries, even the one to jimmy, and decrease sex drive after prolonged use.
Mental aspects are serious shit too. Anxiety over it can fuck up normal function. I had a bout going through some heavy shit in life years ago. Luckily I had a patient partner that helped me see there wasn't anything physically wrong with me.
If you're concerned, I'd steer clear of anything you think might complicate things more, until you're certain of what's going on and how to work through it
I am not a smoker
I'm definitely betting that it could be somewhat/mostly/entirely mental. Worrying about getting hard is detrimental to actually getting hard. Been dealing with that for waaay too long.
The Devil inside is simply curious about running tren successfully, there ain't nothin else like it! Lol
Did you have bloods ran at that time
I have no recent bloods. But my bloods post tren showed that I was recovered, high free test, extremely low prolactin, normal e2
With such bloods I should not have had shitty libido. So my theory is that it was partially psychogenic and possibly partially dopamine related.
Incorrect. As several have pointed out but your not hearing hypoprolactinemia is just as bad as hyperprolactinemia. Both have been shown to cause libido problems in medical studies.
Wrong .. Could had been several factors .. Prolacten .. Estro .. Ect .. That's why when you think there is a issue if your not experienced pull bloods so U don't guess bro
I'm confused as to what you are saying.
I got bloodwork done
Test was in high 800s
Free Test was in high range
E2 was good
Prolactin was <1, undetectable
Despite all of this I still had my issues
The no prolactin is an issue that is what he is pointing out.
How long after your issue did you have those bloods pulled how many weeks? Maybe I miss read it
I was dealing with my issue for over half a year at that point. Problems started around December of 2013. Bloodwork was taken in July or August of 2014.
And what month did U stop
Your cycle
1st tren cycle ended in december 2013. 2nd ended June 2014. I'm trying to access my bloods, I think my gf threw them away and I'm having trouble accessing them on my phone. I'll find the exact bloodwork date soon.
Either way I had good bloods but I still had my problems
Ok once U do post them so we. Look at them
TT high 800s
Free Test 140 out of 155
E2 at 22 out of 38
Prolactin at undetectable levels
So all bloods were good, this was in August of last year.
Again prolactin at an undetectable level is not a good thing.