+ 6 Receiving Free Gear and the Dangers Associated with It
It's come out recently that in the past 6 months that I have been a member here on eroids I have received free gear from a number of sources and been asked to sample the products and leave a review and rating.
I want to apologize to the community if some of you may have seen my reviews of the products that I received and were misled by them. To be completely honest I did not use all of the different gear I was sent for free myself, although some of it I did, others was used by other people I know and I should not have related the product usage as it was a personal experience with it. Also not all of the reviews are what I can honestly say 100% truthful. In some of the reviews I have made the free products glamorized as being better than they actually are out of a feeling of obligation to the supplier who donated the product to me and some of the products were used in conjuction with numerous other sources gear and should not have been reviewed at all as it would be very difficult to tell which product was working and which was not.
To the eroids community I apologize. I have never viewed karma as a large indicator of member knowledge or as a reference to where one should look for the most reliable product. When searching through reviews and trying to decide where the best bet for your dollar is, make sure you also follow the source discussion. If the source has an active representative on here, reach out and talk to them if possible. I know seeing an open market place like this jumps out at us as the holy grail of everything we've been looking for all these years, but I advise you when looking for a reliable supplier do you research first. Don't always look at the good reviews, look for the bad reviews and try and ask the person who left negative feedback why they did so.
I hope that I have not misled anyone and I also hope that I'm given the opportunity to continue to be a member here on eroids. This site is a wealth of information and we should all appreciate what we have here and not take advantage of it, as I am an example of.
Keep pushing and work hard for your goals and you'll be where you want to before you know it,
Walter
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Ok.. Ok... move it along, nothing to see here... We made our point... DON'T BE A DUMBASS!
Ill be honest with you guys to me this isnt that big of a deal that a user had the goods hung in front of his face and he took the bait, or even asked for the goods and took the bait. Im more interested in hanging the sources that gave him the free gear by the nutts.
I mean lets be honest how many guys are gonna come forward and say hey this source is offering me free gear for reviews? not many
Perhaps more than you think.
Kind of like saying that the bartender is more responsible for the DUI homicide than the drunk driver who knows that he shouldn't drink and drive but chooses to do so anyway.
Sure, waltr is a likable guy, And I've never had a beef with him. This "apology" doesn't really have the tone that he truly is sorry; only sorry he got caught.
Others have gotten banned for mouthing off to a mod, or for being generally antagonistic or disagreeable.
IMO these are far less of a crime than violating the prime tenet of this site.
bartender wouldnt work thats legal. how about a drug dealer? now who do the cops target? the user or the drug dealer? pretty simple to me take out the source giving out the free gear for reviews or he is just gonna keep doing it. he can feed hundreds at a time with this offer, do we want to deal with hundreds or one?
Actually, in this case waltr is, quite literally, the drug dealer. The source is his supplier. And the law goes after both.
My point is I disagree with your view as quoted above. There is a degree of responsibility on the bartender and the drinker involved in a DUI. I personally feel the largest part of that responsibility falls on the driver.
Thats fine I can agree to disagree
We all know this happens and happens often... But when a member is so blatant and obvious they are asking for a walk behind the tool shed... This is just yet another member being made the example of to illustrate unacceptable behavior.. It would be nice if we could just pat these guys on the bottom and tell them to be good but as history has shown that doesn't really bode well... History has also shown that when public disciplinary actions are taken the masses respond in kind... (at least for a minute) LOL
I agree that the SRCs need to be held accountable and should carry the bulk of the responsibility in these matters
I agree with that. Every level 1 or higher member has done it. And I don't think that's a big problem. But when how could anyone possibly start a run with XYZ lab (Deca & Test e) then 2 weeks later review XL lab for the same compounds and another week later a different lab for something totally different. Then have this pattern continue for 6+ months. I've even seen you blast someone in a review for reviewing test e or tren e. deca etc after a few days. But ultimately it's the sources who are pulling the strings of these guys. The economy is still all fucked up. Lots of ppl out of work. Maybe their gear budget is looking skimpy. Shit who wouldn't dive in head first? But when you do take the bait, do so within reason at review time.
Bro,
The only thing and I mean the ONLY thing that really bothers me about this is having watched a few guys almost get limbs amputated from contaminated gear. Your right, if it were just about yeah - this stuff is under-dosed and it sucks big time and saying its great - that's just about being a liar. But, if he got gear with lose tops or anything that moves into the danger zone and the guy writes that the lab is great. To me, that's a whole different thing. And I don't know what he got and what condition it was in - I wasn't there. But there are a lot of labs out there that are small and they are not up to snuff with sterility - people get hurt.
AnonI personally kno a former member here that was permanently banned for asking for gear to throw up a review on. And I guarantee it wasn't to the level you did.
He got banned with the quickness, no warning.
Why are you different?
Cant even give you props for coming clean, if you weren't forced to you wouldn't have.
If its shit gear say its shit gear. I cant stand a liar. Basically a hype man for hire for a newer source. You see it a lot.
Bro,
I understand WHAT you did, but I sure as heck don't understand WHY. Over a little money? Money? I think that an apology is certainly the right thing to do, but I am angry with you bro. It's like a young man approaching me at they gym because he looks up to me and then me giving the kid rotten advice cause someone is paying me to do it. It's really rotten Waltr. What kind of man are you??? So, if some source sent you some water based products and you found out the lab wasn't 100% sterile as it needs to be with things like that - you would give a positive review even though the product could make someone sick?
Why do you want to stay here? Ego? Why? It's wrong for me not to accept the apology, so I so accept it. It's also not wrong for me to share how I feel about it. My feelings are neither right nor wrong. They just are what they are. I know the Lord forgives you. Who the heck am I not do? I certainly know that in God's eyes we are all His treasure and I am absolutely not "better" than you are in any way. But, I'm still angry.
Time will heal that.
GearHead
damn i didnt know you could get free gear lmfao.. reviews are difficult to write because, if your diet or anything is off a lot of people blame the gear. the only way to really know the quality of the stuff is testing it.. i wish we had more testing done w/ the gear to know what exactly is in it and how much of it.. unnderdosed ,orverdosed,... you cant trust someone else opinion and thats basically what a review is an opinion not a fact. and yeah walt you are dick bro!! should be banned for at least 6 months..
Who the fuck favorited this post!?
Walter, count your blessings. Because if it were up to me, you'd be permanently banned.
You can't expect to put up an apology and receive forgiveness for compromising the integrity of this community.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This as absolute bullshit. (see point 1.)
You knew damn well what you were doing: you were deceiving us.
Regarding your third paragraph: Do you really feel qualified to give advice on how to properly research a source?
Admit this: you only made this post in order to mitigate the damage to your reputation.
As an Airborne paratrooper, we had a saying: AMF. It stood for Ace Mobile Forces, but we said Adios Mother Fucker.
AMF Walter!
You know usually I am one for accepting someone's sincere apology and true remorse for one's bad actions. I have to agree with Denser, this is a post that would not have come unless a mod caught and exposed the person and issue. So it is more I am sorry I got caught than a " a damn I screwed the pooch and lack integrity post!"
I think any who have been here for a while see that the members are quick to forgive when a member shows contrition I just don't believe for a second this is genuine contrition but as Denser pointed out a lets forget this quickly post.
I don't think it should be forgotten quickly, I learned recently and believe it as the mods have said, this site isn't about friendship or truly anything other than making sure the purpose of its original intent is held up. So if that is the case you have committed one of the greatest offenses that anyone could commit.
With what you have done it could not only completely persuade those more naive to pick a less than reputable source but also turn the ratings into a joke. Granted one man can't do too much damage alone as far as messing up the ratings but still it does affect them. I am a realist and I know many are here for themselves alone but I also know it is important for anyone who reads your apology to know that just because you are still here you shouldn't be trusted until you slowly through correct action prove yourself worthy of that.
C"mon man, this isn't about sincerity, everyone's sorry after they get caught... This is about him stepping up for the board to see and to allow all of you to have your say... And as far as I can see he is still participating and taking his knocks and not avoiding the situation. He could have very well handled the public apology and had nothing more to do with it because he fulfilled the requirement.
I guess misunderstood the meaning and premise of this post. I still don't understand it I guess. I didn't neg his karma as I don't think that warrants anything that has been done already. My point was addressing the context of an apology. If he would said I a writing this which I didn't know because I was going to get banned, I would have given him karma because of the honesty. I am also not being holier than thou because I fuck up plenty one thing I have learned though is when I do it out of selfishness and I do plenty out of selfishness, I make a point not to be sorry at all because I believe it is insincere especially when I was calculating. But you are right my apologies for imposing my standard for him, that has no place here.
ofcourse its not genuine, he was gonna be banned if he didnt put it up.
Waltr is young. I know that isn't an excuse but I think them twenty-somethings are always trying to one up without thinking of consequence. I believe him when he says he meant no harm, but that is what he did. He harmed the sites integrity. If nothing else waltr, please learn from this.
I still havent figured out how people associate free gear with good reviews? or glamorize them? just write an Effing honest review, if the shit sucks say so!
Yeah but then the source won't be their friend anymore and it will be the end of them being called "bro" so affectionately. Wouldn't want that. They don't want to upset their bro's!
Takes a lot of courage for what you did brother!!!
Good on you!!!
I know its a bit of back stabbing, but these sources should really be put to shame!!!
As every good review/picture added/conversation on SI threads have no doubt bought extra revenue for these sources!!!
A little too, a little too late. You've been here long enough and even participated in threads discussing this very thing. What you did was willful deceit; your eyes were wide open.
And what's paragraph 3 all about? Are you taking a page from the Obama playbook? If someone looked at your karma and made a purchase based on you they somehow share the blame because they didn't study the source well enough?
Sorry, but I see this type of transgression as the worst kind that one eroid member can commit to another.
I'm not in a very forgiving mood.
waltrThat was more just advice, I'm obviously not the only member who has received free products and other reviews have undoubtably been biased because of it.
TARANISyeah but you shamefully in a calculated manner contacted these sources,and offered your dishonest deceitful services in exchange for free gear,putting a stain on this board as being a credible and honest review site, that is fundamental to what this site is here for, i've seen so many members getting banned for things that fade in comparison to what you have done,i can't believe that your still here to be honest
two wrongs make a right?
Not mine. In fact I have one source who has waited patiently about 8 weeks for a review and still won't have it for about another week or more. Up front I made it clear I will not feel obligated to post a positive review.
I ALWAYS mention that a review is for a promo. And I ALWAYS get and post blood work to remove any bias. And I NEVER mix the gear I'm reviewing with other labs, or resell it to others and review it as my own experience.
It was easier to understand a few years ago with fewer members and fewer sources but this site is for us. Not the source. What you did (and others potentially do) is undermine the entire integrity of this site and the eroids brotherhood.
Fair play for owning up, but a bit of advice for you. If you feel pressurised by sources to write good reviews etc, tell them to shove it up their £&?! And go tell a mod. If you go asking sources for free gear in exchange for a good review, you lose your integrity.
Were you hitting up sources for free gear for reviews or was it sources contacting you ?
waltrA mix of both.
It was only a few days ago you jumped in a promo thread and called out at least 50 members (in BLOCK RED CAPITAL LETTERS)
Meanwhile you were scooping up a ton of free gear behind the scenes and leaving fluffed up inaccurate reviews or didn't even use the gear but reviewed anyway.
TARANISwell said BB, double standards,!
happy St Andrews Day celebrations to all my fellow Scots,
AnonI remember that
RustyhookerWell said!
waltrI stand by what I said.
I don't think that it's right to call a source an idiot for not giving away free products...
Of course it's not but my point is the length in which you took it to was more than a bit rich considering the position you were in don't you think?
Anyway, you could have hit the road with a swift fuck you but you didn't. You are here and taking responsibility so I guess you can't say fairer than that.
+1 for the apology
RustyhookerI remember back when getting a freebie meant an honest review. Now ya can't even find freebies. Or getting banned for doing wrong. Live n learn i guess
damn, walt... didn't see that coming, but glad to see you step up and take your lick, brotha.
for real tho, you ain't the first and won't be the last. this is one of the reason's admin put a stop to the free gear promos a while back. because between the src's pressuring members to leaving instant reviews and some members feeling obligated to leave them, it degrades the concept of "steroid src review". what good are the reviews if they're not genuine?
it's been a while since i've participated in any of them, and I still have src's reminding me that I haven't left a review. bottom line and what I always tell them, I still haven't ran it. if i know when i'm gonna be running it, i'll tell them but either way, no review until i run it.
to the newer guys that get in on these sort of promos:
you don't need to feel obligated to leave a review instantly. i realize you may feel like you owe the src for sending you free packs, but trust me: they start seeing the benefits of their promo the minute pics start being posted. those pics drive activity to their SI threads and gets the ball rolling for them. and they know that your review is only as good as their product/service. take pride in how you review. make a list of pros and cons of the products when you run them and side effects and benefits in comparison to similar products ran previously. put that shit in your reviews, and DON'T BE AFRAID TO WRITE A BAD REVIEW if the gear or experience was bad. these reviews are what helps the next man decide if he should or shouldn't fuck with the src.
false reviews are shit... half ass reviews are shit... and we damn sure don't care that you "got your pack"; your pics told us that. run that shit, write it down, and post it.
~BRAVO~
It takes a man to step and admit their faults! The slate has been wiped clean for you. Start fresh and stear clear of the free gear, it can be a gift and a curse as you have learned.
GearofWarWell, this is a pretty good start IMO. It takes a man to step up and admit fault. Truthfully I see the allure of free gear and who wouldn't. Glad you see what you did hurt the community and integrity of the site though. Learn and move on.