posted Wed, 11/28/2012 - 07:04
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Which anti estrogen to run ON cycle
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Im going to be starting my first cycle of test-e, and wanted to take proviron (25-50mg daily) throught my cycle to help with water retention and such, as well as boost Anabolic effect, then switch over to nolvadex or even arimadex at the end of my cycle, and starting clomid two weeks later.
I'd like to hear other people opinions or how they run their PCT so I can get a good plan of what I need to do
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Whats thos guys stats? Height...weight...age....bf%%?
21 & light in weight! Dude you better drop the gear and have cdaddy give you diet and gym advice. Get to 200 natty bro! You're screwing your ball and future!
11-12% bmi was hat I was at web I was a senior in high school. I haven't taken my bmi since then, I figure Im probably closer to 9-10% but even still your right I do need to lose that fat.
And I don't want to gain weight that's my whole thing. If I'm at 200 I'll weigh WAY to much for my height. I do MMA (recreationally with a few tournies here and there). That's why I wanted to use the winstrol in my cycle to gain a leaner, denser muscle structure so as not to put on to much weight. I'm actually working on dropping down to 155 over the next month or two, then wanting to gear up to 175
For my size though right now my max bench is 255, dead lift is 320, and squats are a little weak, but still at a decent 295. I've been plateaued there for a good 5 months though and it's killing me. I've tried changing my workout routine 100 differant ways, and I just cannot progress past where I'm at. So unless it's just a matter of me not working out enough, or my routine isn't strog enough, but I don't think it's either. I feel like my body just cannot push out anymore or exert anymore energy than I already do, which is why I want to pickup on some gear and see if that can supplement my body enough to push me further.
And right now I'm also looking towards my diet to see what I can add or change to also help give me the boost I need so well see
Steroids add weight. Point blank. If you fight...Winny is not for you. It dries the joints and you'll snap with first good hold someone throws. 11-12% isnt fat. You're needing a set goal and simply achieve it.
Last Time I took just Winny (before ever doing any research on the subject or anything) I only gained about 15 lbs, so if I dropped 20, and do shit properly, do you really think I'd gain more than 25 lbs? I lost all that weight too when I came off it because I had no clue how to run a pct or anything. My boy just sold me a bunch of orals and told me I'd get lean muscle. Which is why I came up with that Winny cycle.
Y'all are te experts though, that's why I'm hear, I wanna know how to do it right to get to where I wanna be. I'm looking to drop my bmi down to 6-7%, while adding lean muscle and HOPEFULLY adding 30-50lbs to all my
Max's. If I can drop the bmi enough to get down to 155, I'm hoping to go on a gear that's goin to give me lean muscle so HOPEFULLY I don't go over 185 in weight. But even if I did I could just go back on a weight cutting cycle afterwards, which I'm sure would lessen my gains but get me back to my desired weight, or I can just man up and fight in a heavier weightclass
And also, after reading the side effects of aromasin, arimidex, proviron, and nolva, I'm thinking I GOTTA go with nolva. Although nolva is the mildest out of all as far as an anti estrogen, it's sides are also the mildest, so now I'm looking for an even milder cycle to match maybe just the test-e at 400mg a week split into two 200mg per week with just nolva and clomid as my pct, maybe running nolva ON if I get swollen/painful nips
cdaddy7Hey my man, follow M48 advice and drop that cycle below...too much and def not optimal....Aromasin is my pick bc my body responds to it better than Arimidex and I can run it on thru my PCT
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AI is aromasin 12.5mg EOD or 6.25mg ED starting by week 4 of the cycle.
Ok, here the overview of my entire cycle plan, and you guys tell me what would be my best option, because everyone's opinions are differant from one site to the next so it's hard to get a good grasp although MASSIVE48 really did give me some killer info.
I'm going to do a short 8 week cycle of test-e to see how my body reacts. 250mg twice a week for the full 8 weeks. Ill cycle off using the suggested PCT that sounds best for me and my health, then go back on using a whole new cycle.
My second cycle will look like this:
Week 1: test-e 500mg
Week 2: test-e 500mg
Week 3: test-e 500mg
Week 4: test-e 500mg
Week 5: test-e 500mg
Week 6: test-e 500mg
Week 7: test-e 500mg, winstrol 50mg eod
Week 8: test-e 500mg, winstrol 50mg eod
Week 9: test-p 100mg eod, winstrol 50mg eod
Week 10: test-p 100mg eod, winstrol 50mg eod
Week 11: test-p 100mg eod, winstrol 50mg eod
Week 12: test-p 100mg eod, winstrol 50mg eod
And from what I read I should be able to start PCT within 3-7 days after last injection due to the tapereing off of mg's in the last few weeks
AnonI would start pct 3 days after last prop inj. Winny Ed instead lg EOD. And add in the AI either at the start or at week 2 (my opinion). If you're doing a prop taper, why not do a kicker as well? This way you're not waiting for weeks to start making progress. Cycle experience?
1-12 test E 500mg a week split dose mon250 and thur250.
Ai of you choice like i said.
Pct 15 days after last test E shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20.
Save the winstrol and prop for next cycle bro.
Anonyou can run the proviron if you want. just keep in mind that, although it has some estrogen inhibiting properties, it is a mild steroid and not an AI. i agree with massive48: take adex or aromasin on cycle - you may even wanna consider running it into pct (see cdaddy, zewi, gs pct). I am running it daily during my pct and all my estrogen side are gone. two weeks in and no acne, moods are stable, no weight gain, and sex drive is still going strong.
how about you post a cycle log so we can get a better idea of the big picture?
I was running aroma at 12.5 Ed and bloat went down real well just switched to adex to see if it helps better. So far it has not so I just upped my dose from .25 e3d to .5 e3d to find my sweet spot. Then use massives pct regiment.
Adex or aro will help with bloat bro save the proviron imo.
Imo go with aromasin bro it has no estro rebound...and other reasons its better than adex read below.
IMO dood Aromasin is the much better AI....Let me tell you why...
My specific preference of aromasin is becuz just 25mg decreases aromatisation by 98% for a period of 5-7 days. In addition, it shows a very positive effect on LH & FSH, as well as increase in gonadrotopin, making it great not only on cycle but also for pct.
Furtheremore, it also increases IGF-1 levels, which is a much desired effect. Moreover, it is less harsh on blood lipids than other AIs.
These qualities make it much more superior To other AIs like "adex". And if i was taking it during a cycle to stop LARGE amounts of gear from aromatising it would be my only choice bro.;)
Funnily enough, ive read dosages In excess of 400mg/day of aromasin Have shown to act slightly androgenic, which is not relevant though as the price is quite high.
Dont listen to the "I used it and liked it so its better" crowd. Look at the science behind compounds and then choose whats best for you.
Anongood info, bro. thanks for elaborating
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkNo problem bro, this is pretty much why most go with aro.
AnonYeah. I like it. These things always interest me, and it's always nice to have someone add more clarification about the facts.
Take Ai like adex or aromasin ON CYCLE .. And PCT IS. Clomid 100/100/50/50, nolva 40/40/20/20