Since I had to stop tren.... i can reevluate my spring stack
After deciding to stop the TrenE 400/wk and Test Cyp 400/wk, because my HDL Cholesterol was a 15 (needs to be higher than 50), I need to put together my next stack. I was on tren and test for 8 weeks, and my pct is 4 so that would clear me to begin another cycle on December 6th or so. As I previously posted I have a competition in mid May and was originally thinking of EQ/Test with a prop kick/taper and finishing with var and/or mast. After looking into I cobe in couldnt do that since I would be in PCT for my comp then. So Zewi and Vike suggested an 8 week prop/var/mast cycle. Now that I have more time for recovery since I only finished half my cycle I want to see what you all think is best for me.
This, if you count my half tren cycle, will be cycle 5. I normally sit around 225-230 and 10% bf. Now I am 258 and 11% because I havent started PCT yet. I am very prone to gaining fat on cycle even with low carb high protein. I have noticed a lot of bloating with cyp in past even with adex on hand. I dont see many other sides... except bad cholesterol from tren. I want to gain lean, hard, mass and then cut hard towards the end. I loved what EQ did for me in the past but I am worried about water gain with long ester test, since I am doing comp.
I have used: Cyp, Sust, Win, EQ, TrenE in the past and only Tren has had a side. Build me a stack if you all wouldnt mind
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To put things in perspective, pros like Kai green run mega doses of testosterone,and anadrol while on stage. They also run mega doses of ancillaries like Letrozole, nolva, and dangerous diuretics.
Water from Test and EQ should be extremely easy to manage with the help of an AI and a light diuretic.
Your diet should be really what causes most impact with water. Learn to trick your body to not retain water. For example drink 2 gallons a day for 2 weeks straight then drastically reduce water intake and your body will flush it all out (temporarily)
I would say run long cycle test and EQ. Don't worry too much about the water pre-comp.
Ai's, masteron, winny can all help cut out bloat. You can mega dose AI's and throw in a mild diuretic right before your comp. and should not need to worry about it. You can choose to drop test before comp and run 150mg proviron too to increase hardness
biggerthanyouYo beastmode can u tell me more bout that prop/mast/var cycle that u mentioned?
zewi1-8 Test P @ 100mg EOD
1-8 Mast p @ 100mg EOD
3-8 Anavar @ 50mg ED
Tren will knock your levels in the dirt. I take 8x 1000mg fish oil caps a day to help with that
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Hey bro, I personally don't deal with alot of bloat from test+AI but drol swells me up and I get some retention relief using sauna's and steam baths
yeah I have been trying to get into the sauna, which seems to help a bit but not a whole lot. I wear hoodies to the gym all the time and sweat like crazy but I just cant shake the water till PCT
cdaddy7How much time do you have for cycling? Is the 8weeks too short then you could extend it 10 weeks and you still have time before comp or you could start later...Help me to know what you are looking at time wise
Theoretically, If I PCT and recover correctly and on time, I can start my next cycle on December 6th. My Comp is May 18th. So you tell me. What I was saying before was that Zewi and Vike recommended a shorter stack since I didnt realize my recovery time from a full trenE cycle would have taken me to Feb. And that would have been to close to run a EQ stack. I have never done a show on gear so I am unfamiliar if I need to stop before, stay on while at show or be done PCT before show. But for your question, I can start this Decemember.... so is a short ester or long ester better and what would that stack be
zewiYou have more than enough time to run a EQ cycle.
1-4 Test P @ 150mg EOD
1-16 EQ @ 600mg a week
1-16 Test e @ 375mg a week
15-21-Test P @ 100mg EOD
15-21 Mast P @ 100mg EOD
15-21 Anavar 15-20 @ 50mg ED
Sweet cycle plan!!!
cdaddy7Thanks bro, I just didn't feel comfortable on this one bc of his comp
So would I take this and end it before comp, during comp or after comp? I am too unfamiliar with comps so I want to make sure I have time to drop water weight from TestE... I always bloat, always even with an AI. What is var's effect on cholesteral. I know win can lower HDL, I have never had problems with win but with the tren doing what it did I just want to make sure that nothing else fucks my HDL. I dont want to burn another cycle like I am now
zewiTake Arimidex for your AI.. .25mg EOD for bloating and if nipples get sore go to .5mg ED..
I took adex this past cycle and it helped with nipples but I still took on water like a sinking ship. Lost a lot of definition. I was taking 1mg of adex E3d
zewiDoes Test p give increase your water?
You could also change the Anavar to Winny to help with your water at the end.
No test P is g2g with me but obviously I cant run that straight through with EQ. Which is better... Var or Winny? I have only used winny and I like it but I know it can have bad effect on cholesterol so I dont want to get back in the boat I am now with HDL issues
zewiOk since test p your good with.. Then the Var and Test P will be best so you don't run into HDL issue. I was only throwing winny out there encase test p did the same.
ok cool man, this looks good. Thanks for looking at this an helping me out
zewiAnytime brother. Double check with Viking though--im sure he will add something or some extra pointers.
zewiEQ will not bring on water.. and that's why it really low test.. You could bring it down to 250.. to start, and up it if you fill off.
zewiMAKE SURE THIS CYCLE ENDS 2WKS BEFORE THE SHOW THEN PCT CAN COMMENCE AFTER ITS ALL OVER...
So if you start the 6th that cycle ends 16 days before you contest.
you see what I am saying? If I didnt have Tprop, Mast at end then I could stop 2 weeks prior and PCT after show but with Prop and Mast ending two weeks before show I have to PCT then 3 days after. Can I take prop/mast and var to 23 weeks rather than to 21
zewiYES! you can..
1-4 Test P @ 150mg EOD
1-16 EQ @ 600mg a week
1-16 Test e @ 375mg a week
15-23-Test P @ 100mg EOD
15-23 Mast P @ 100mg EOD
15-23 Anavar 15-20 @ 50mg ED
Just so we are all on the same page, Zewi, this is ok? I like it and was thinking the same thing. I havent used mast before or var... anything i need to look out for?
zewiYes.. I said above encase you missed it..
sorry our posts are all over. Whats the benefit of var over winny? and what would you recommend knowing I have HDL issues and winny can decrease my numbers
if this cycle ends 2 weeks before the show then I have to PCT 3 days later since the prop is there and the EQ/TestE are done, right?
cdaddy7Well shit, I thought u were taking a nap and i went to get Viking LOL
cdaddy7Hang on bro, Im goin to get Viking
tru, thanks mayne
cdaddy7Well I know where my limitations are and i want Viking in here bc he competes and his wisdom in what to do in this case is warranted