posted Sun, 09/15/2013 - 08:50
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Cabergoline alternative for Tren users on Anti-Depressants.
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I have been asked advice about a cycle with tren from someone who takes anti-depressants. My close friend crashes terribly on Cabergoline so I wondered about alternatives. Prami? My friend uses a version of formestant... I am sure it is a spray and I wondered if people know of this one? I think it is an AI, not a progesterone remedy, but I don't always know that much.
So.... those with experience with anti-depressants, what is the best option to Cabergoline?
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What would be a proper dose for prami I was taking caber .25 weekly but it seems I miss placed it. I still have one bottle of caber left but was thinking of trying prami I heard good things my other concern would be since prami is liquid would it go bad? I won't be doing another cycle until April
i wonder if bromo would be a a suitable alternative. i know its another agonist but the composition is slightly different than caber or or prami, seems it may also effect a few different receptors. i havent really researched bromo much. so i may be wrong. but it appears as though it does the same thing but a little different. maybe someone with more bromo knowledge can elaborate. sorry, im really sick and even using the noggin today is challenging.
prami is stronger than caber. If you have prolactin issues but don't want to take a dopamine agonist then I would suggest running an extremely low dose test and using an AI plus mast and proviron. Also he should be able to take a very low dose caber 0.25mg once per week it has a long half life. Unless it has some horrible interaction it should be okay but hard to say not knowing what AD he is on.
just curious, but how does an AI and a DHT help with prolactin other than helping keep estro in check?
well high estrogen usually correlates with increase in prolactin. If estrogen is low to begin with prolactin will not get too high.
I'm not saying its perfect or ideal but it will definitely help.
On a side note caber doesn't interact with any antidepressants negatively there should be no problem taking it with AD's.
this is true. it's been scientifically documented that elevate estrogen yields the precursors for prolactin. if the prolactin issues were solely estro-related, in the absence of a 19-nor, then i'd completely agree with the AI.
however, when we toss a 19-nor into the mix, we have a completely different stimulus for prolactin release. because of the interactions there, versus with estradiol, we now have to approach it from a different angle using an antagonist. since dopamine is an antagonist to prolactin, our dopamine agonists are able to take over when the issue stems beyond that of estrogen.
people can get high prolactin from test only. It's not common but it can happen
Yes. I agree. From what I can see, it's due to unregulated estradiol, tho.
shirlsguyI want to be real careful with my advice. I have a very educated friend who crashed very badly when he started Caber and he was certain it was affecting his AD prescribed course. He dropped the Caber and got better... but it was a long ride for him to rebound. He barely even started the course of Caber. Now, he runs a different ancilliary and is happy with his cycle... albeit a mild one. I agree that keeping the tren low dose and such will help a lot, minimize the needs for ancilliaries, but this case has come to me knowing the type of cycles I do.... and they can be very radical... so I must assume that I am advising courses for someone who will damned well try what works for me. I'm one of the lucky ones that just gets along great with most meds.... that can be mis-leading to people who know my intimate details.
i'm not familiar with formestant. prami could be a feasible alternative for him. basically, what you're trying to accomplish is to suppress prolactin levels thru a dopamine agonist. a quick excerpt for those that don't fully understand what that means:
so, the dopamine agonist is a compound that binds to the receptors of the cells responsible for producing/releasing dopamine. because studies have proven that dopamine has a dose dependent suppressive effect against prolactin, any medication that illicits a rise in dopamine will suppress prolactin levels.
so, he needs to find a dope-ag that he can tolerate, since that is really the only option for regulating prolactin.
shirlsguyThank you Dossier... this is the kind of explanation I forgot. I knew there was something pretty serious attached to Cabergoline for people and that is the exact word I was reaching for (agonist) with the explanation that I could not quite grab. Thank you very much!