posted Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:34
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First time with anabolics
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So I have been considering starting a cycle. I have been in the gym and active for the last 2 years, I have dropped 120 lbs total and am around 190. I am 27 years old and around 17-18 percent bf. I was on steroids.com and they offer a cutting stack that consists of Test (a testosterone), winstrol, clenbuterol, and trenbolone... is there a good thread or website that has good information on this. They are all oral and I have a good supplement routine, but would like to do a LOT more research before I actually start
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first off let me just thank you to everyone who is trying to be helpful... MASSIVE48 I am in no way lazy, yes i did wanna do this to reach a new level in my body transformation but not as a "short cut" if i wanted a shortcut i would have had lipo vs. spending two years working my ass off to drop 120 lbs... I have decided to take your guys' advice into account and hold off on doing any kind of anabolic cycle for the time being... I will continue to do my research and when I do feel ready I will know it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don't just jump into anything without doing research hence why I AM HERE!!!! If I was going to do this without any looking I would already have everything I need to do to start my cycle... but I held off under a cooler head and decided to look at this from an objective standpoint... again thank you guys you all have been so very helpful and crucial in helping me not make a big mistake... I was not aware that a high fat body percent helped lead to gyno and really glad that I didn't just jump into this. I cannot be thankful enough. If anyone has any pointers to help me out with my diet I am always looking to tweak my routines to make it better.
Right now I am on a strict schedule
345 am wake up - cup of black coffee with a packet of truvia
4 am - 20 mins low intense cardio (mainly walking up and down stairs)
6 am - three eggwhites with a cup of oatmeal
9 am - 5-6 oz protein (chicken, fish, eye of round steak, etc.) and a cup of brown rice
1130 am - lunch 5-6 oz protein, cup of whole wheat pasta, cup of green veggies (broccoli, asparagus, etc.)
3 pm - repeat lunch
6 pm - repeat meals two and three with no carbs
645 pm - workout (consists of heavy lifting for one major and one minor muscle groups/ push pull workouts basically) also post workout 30g protein (probiotic with BCAA's), genr8 vitargo carbs,750 mg creatine, 750 mg l-glutamine
8 pm - 1 cup of green veggies
9 pm - 24g casein protein
I should also note that I take in no excessive sugars so no fruits or anything like that even tho they are natural sugars (this is only for a 12 week frame). I don't drink alcohol (it converts to sugar) and I RARELY break my eating schedule it has to be something came up at work or what not that delays me. also I am in bed right after casein shake and brushing teeth lol
Research diet first over and over, then research roids. You have been successful in the diet department by losing 120 lbs but now its a different kind of diet on gear and to accomplish different results. Without the proper education on combining diet with gear you are just as likely to put fat on as muscle. Kudos on losing 120 lbs in two years that means your not lazy and you have a good foundation of discipline and food and fitness but you are seriously undereducated in this arena. Look at the forums cycles for beginners and dieting forums. That will be a good start. Also keep in mind that high bf mixed with former larger bf and test = GYNO in most larger men. Research AI's and proper PCT so you don't mess yourself up. Goodluck
IMO you should do WAAAAAYYY more research before you even consider aas, you said you barely have 2 years in the gym and you already want to take steroids??!?!!..cmon bro dont be a lazy fuck, youll make sick gains if you continue training natural for the next 2,3,4 etc years!!!...i mean unless your on TRT then obvi u gotta start the test but cmon ur not that old and your BF is kinda high, AT LEAST wait till you at 12-13% so you can see some good gains with a Testosterone ONLY cycle.. Research the Tren side effects bro n i bet youll wanna save it for later.. Play it smart brotha thats the BEST way to go! ;).... Good luck
Steroids.com sells supplements with names that are similar to steroids, they are not steroids. Do some more research as many have already said.
Anonhere is example of a good first cycle.
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/test-e-cycle-0
even with a decent amount of body fat? like i said im around 17-18 percent I have a caliper coming in the mail this week to measure it. also if I did a testosterone cycle could I stack clenbuterol to help with fat loss?
Anonyeah you might ant to drop your body fat percentage as low as you can before you start a cycle. Based on what you said im sure you can drop naturally. I personally think you should hold off on adding clen to your first cycle.Or do clen only and hold off your first cycle till you drop more body fat.
Clen raises heart rate! Test raises heart rate! High bodyfat and your mixing into dieing young. Id suggest you surely research test only.......or clean diet and cardio.
Death mix. No joke
Anoni agree i was telling him to only to do one. i told him for a first cycle he should to do test only and he wanted add clen to it. i told him to do one or the other. i even gave him a link to a good test only first cycle. I agree 1oo% that mixing them can be very dangerous
Bro This dood needs to be hitting the diet and exercise section, he barely has "2" years training and already wants to fuck with aas?!! To me thats being lazy cuz he most likely thinks this is the short cut to a better body but in reality its really not cuz hes still gonna have to diet n train hard otherwise hes gonna be another noob saying they sold him some bunk gear n he didnt feel any changes.
There is NO short cuts in this lifestyle.
AnonI agree, my first comment i told him to hold off till your drop your bf% which you can do naturally.
Blood pressure through the roof!! (SMH)
Tren will make your life a living hell if you don't know what your getting into.
I highly recommend waiting till your of advanced status a few yrs down the road before touching it.
It can really mess with your head , paranoia and what not.
But like the others have stated- research more. And definitely read all the stickies at the tops of the forum subcategories.
You want to learn about proper PCT (post-cycle therapy) , Pre and Post blood tests, and obviously information on all the types of compounds and how they effect your body for example if they are Androgenic or Anabolic.
Good luck man
yes!! before i started reading on this stuff I hadn't even considered a PCT but now I am planning one on the chance I decide to take the step into cycling
I know that I need more research and information which is why I came here... I would have never known that trenbolone is something I shouldn't even be considering... I am 6'2" btw. and like I said this is something I am considering... I have not decided whether I want to do this or not just putting my toe in the water to figure out what I want to do if I want to do it ya know? I am very thankful for the help and appreciative of the compliments lol... I have put in a lot of hardwork into my weight loss and don't want to put any of that in jeopardy ya know? which is why i am taking the time to research and figure this out... i probably won't even start a cycle for at least another two months... and Mars I don't take offense to it by any means... this is my first day even looking into it... i just saw this website a friend of mine recommended to me and am trying to straighten it all out before I jump into it
Research my good man. If this is your first cycle. You should start with testosterone alone. The name of the game is the introduce one compound at a time. Tren is a big boy compound. After you've run a lot of cycles. and have a lot of experience under your belt then consider tren. under the forums here theres a really good article on tren, its a sticky. Read up on it. Not sure what you mean about all oral cycle. Do you want to shit out your liver bro? Id be concerned more on your body percentage. Try to cut it down a bit more before you jump on cycle. Whats your height? Cycle Experience?
AnonFirst cycle just stick to with test, either cyp or eth. Dont listen to people who tell you that you cant cut on test. YOUR Diet and training WILL dictate your results.The same way you lost those 120 pounds is the same way you will cut on steroids. There is wealth of knowledge here from which to learn from and a lot of vets with experience who can help you.
ok I feel funny for being the one to say this.. but man you need to do way more research.. you need to dig! spend time learning as if your ass is in school.. cause that's the approach you need to take.
These compounds are serious stuff. messing with your hormones is no joke, it can have serious life altering negative consequences down the road that will cause you to be a burden on the weak health care system and on any family that loves you.
one core hormone alone is enough, but you are seeing a marketed "stack" for seriously advanced users of these substances who have spent thousands of dollars and years of their lives understanding and using. I am not trying to demean you, or make you feel dumb, I'm not being overly dramatic ether.. I am trying to make you understand the scope of what you are considering.
Trenbolone is something light years away from you and I. this compound shouldn't even be in our vocabulary for at least another few years imo.
BTW props to you man! 120lbs lost is no easy feat and isn't something that is without recognition, I'd love to hear your story sometime.
you need to do some more research