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I will confer. I started off with 250 cyp and that was plenty. Did that for a year before I started blasting anything. Slow and steady keeps the sides away.
During recent weeks of TRT I have pinned 400\week which made me feel similar to when I first started TRT with 100\week. Does that change your recommendation at all?
You’re not going to want to go by feelsies on this endeavor. You may have felt a little different, nut much, and it’s absolutely no where near what hardcore steroid users take, but 400mg a week for a newcomer is significant. You may feel the same, but I’ll guarantee your lipid profile has changed. My opinion, and only take it as an opinion, is after you can tolerate test at the 500mg weekly dosage, if you’re not planning to compete or do anything other than a hobby, I’d stay at a TRT dosage of 125mg and cycle at 500mg but add another compound. Start with something like masteron and add an oral in the beginning. If you’ve been tolerating the drugs well and want to try a 19nor at some point, start with NPP. You’ll get a good idea of what it’s all about and it’s a short ester so if you’ve run into issues it’ll leave your body quick once you stop.
I would advise against tren your first go around, I know it's tempting but maybe try popping an oral and bumping the test up to 400, really depends on your goals but tren is a different beast
Feels same...hows blood test look?
Ive seen..feels same but lack of gym intensity and good diet mars the goals
No. Either underdosed test depending on ester or you haven’t had time for it to saturate if E/C/Sust… it takes weeks (really months) to tell any true difference.
You should have 10 or so cycles under your belt before even thinking about tren.
Orals destroy your body.
You need all supps, ancillaries, and money for labs before, during 2x, and afterwards set in place.
Make sure diet & training is 100% before anything.
TEST ONLY!! Can try different esters but nothing EXCEPT TEST for first 3 cycles AT THE LEAST.
Run that consistent dose for 12-16 weeks will everything you could need on hand. Supps, AI, hcg, etc.
tren is much worse than an oral IMO. I love dbol at 10mg-20mg, for me that is plenty and I get great effects from it both physically and mentally. Var when paired with GW is a killer stack as well as it keeps the lipids looking better.
I haven't run tbol in a long time, I've considered re exploring that one
Oh I 100% agree. For very first cycle I just always recommend a higher test dose only. Too many unknowns for most guys that early.
One clarification item, if 200 test is my normal weekly TRT dose, is that what I'm returning to during post cycle?
Yes sir! Considering you are a lifelong TRT patient (I am too) you can just drop back to your TRT dose. You may see and feel some slight changes after dropping, but a surprising amount of mass will stick if the aforementioned things are in check.
What does 200mg of T weekly put ya at? I’m on 120mg of E or C but I split it 2x per week for trt. It keeps me between 750-900. Esters are super important to consider but E/C are very similar.
200 once per week puts me at 400-450
Really ??? What was your test levels before TRT DOSE
It was two hundred and something but that was also many years ago when I was in my thirties... Around 10 years ago I believe
Is that a trough reading? I assume that testosterone is from pharmacy?
Not a trough reading, I believe it was 3 days after an injection. It was from a pharmacy.
If that's the case, crazy. Goes to show how everyone reacts differently.
I still think you should stick with your 400mg/wk, pinning at least twice a week. Pull labs once you've been on that protocol for 6 weeks. Will have a better idea what's going on
Same. 120mg/wk puts me closer to the 900 mark.
Perfect, thank you for sharing what sounds to me like great information. Much appreciated!
Hey man, I’d take Smurf’s advice to heart. He won’t steer you wrong.
Changes nothing man. Stick with the 400mg/wk test for 12-15 weeks, see how you tolerate it. E2 sides, bp issues, etc
Reposting here for some help hopefully..
I’ll be damned if my Adex was the one thing I left without. I even had it in my hand I know it. I’m out of state until Monday afternoon. 600mg Test E mon/thurs, Adex .25 eod. Today is an Adex day and Sunday. Anything successful in a pinch otc or supp shop?
Try Diindolylmethane (DIM). It's not as strong as adex but it works differently. Rather than blocking estrogen it keeps the metabolization of e2 balanced and will help keep your estrogen in control without tanking it. Good for people who have estrogen sides without having elevated estrogen, can be ran with adex as well. It's a good daily sup for estrogen when you don't want to over do an AI
Be very careful with that recommended product and most OTC. It contains Arimistane a very non-researched drug. It can act as an AI, but has lots of sides. High estro for a short period is probably safer than taking something like that imo especially if you’re used to a seperate AI. It can make recovery harder and there have been reports of organ damage while on it.
Just be sure to research Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione before putting it into your body my man !
Try Blackstone Labs Eradicate , better than nothing.
Any idea when Test P will be back in stock?
we got some, we'll update the site tonight or tomorrow. when we run out after a restock, we usually have a back stock that we'll add in. We didn't expect to run out of anything tis quickly. I thought we were stocked for 3 weeks
Thanks Unc, I’ll be on the lookout for it.
Brother, the test is flying off the shelves. I just got lucky and snuck an order in before it was out of stock lol, hopefully it will be available to you soon, bro.
It sure is flying!
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