No debt in the universe ever goes unpaid,
There is a perfect accounting system in the
universe, and everything is a constant
"to and fro" exchange.
Well we all shine on
Here is a good way to judge if a certain member's karma is based on their knowledge or popularity. I take their total karma into consideration as well as how old their account is.go through their pictures and do a quick tally and add up how much karma in total( I do a quick estimation.no need to get exact) the member has earned from pics and forums posted. remember, some of the thumbs up are going to be from members that don't have enough karma to give others karma when hitting the thumbs up button.so as I am checking out their pics I go down to their comments and see about how many members are <50 and cant give karma and minus that estimated amount from the total amount of thumbs up I added. then take that new number and minus it from their total karma.what is left over will be the amount of points they have earned from giving good advice and reviews. which are the two things that are the most helpful to the community. and then I take how old their account is into consideration and tell myself that this member has earned "x" amount of points for giving good advice and reviews in "y" amount of time. seems like a lot to do but just run through quick estimations and go by how it looks quickly and it will give you a good representation of the actual knowledge and helpfulness of that certain member.
Just need one more and I can start voting...weoooo
Karma was a good idea
Wow...where do I start? I've been around here a while and some of the sources in the top ten have been known to be selective scammers or sell outright fake juice and then claim they didn't know. I have read this here and other sites. Lurking is the way to go here. Watch a source for a week or two then pull the trigger. You can get a feel for who is legit by the people that are hanging out in the source discussion. Now with that said I have also watched as certain individuals have jumped from one source to the next depending on what I assume free stuff they are given. Karma means nothing for the most part. Called a few out politely and privately on different things. Bottom line is that in the big scheme of things it really is a drug deal until legalized. I do not see myself or most sources as criminals but you have to understand the criminal element involved. I myself have made donations for one single pack that would equal a down payment on a house. And I was only number three that quarter as far as amount donated. My point is I feel I know quite a bit about this racket but my assigned number or rank or karma does not reflect that. So how do I convince any of you I can be trusted? I can't. Lurk get a feel for who's full of shit, and there are a lot of them and then pull the trigger. The couple sources I use here are not even close to top ten. And quite frankly it is my opinion that the top ten list is pure manipulated bullshit. Hell sources give real stuff away trying to move up the ranks and fail. Smells like the dumpster at red lobster to me. Oh and yes I would tell anyone who I use if asked but then if be a fanboy and how or why would you believe me....karma? Hahaha.
Why not take your negative ass bullshit elsewhere then? No one is forcing you to creep around here!!!
Fr. sent bro, Im curious of who u use bro
Ha! I forgot to ask, how is karma earned? I'm feeling a little bare with my 1 score
I'm new to eroids and so too is the karma system to me. If I see a member with a higher karma score then I feel more likely to trust their opinion. Whether that be warning other members of bunk gear or sharing wisdom. But if it is really just a popularity contest then I believe it may need redesigned, nothing worse than seeing bro science spat out as fact because a dude has a few pals
Not trying to rant, I think this is a great community and so far have come across two excellent sources that I'd never have found otherwise. Thanks guys
Honestly it's mostly popularity IMO...post pics and I'll get some. Karma really doesn't mean anything. Most the guys I've seen with high karma look like they are only able to make it to the gym once a week. So don't think because someone has high karma that they got it figured out. It really just means that they know this site and how it works and are good at sucking up to other popular high karma members so they can get karma...don't waste ur time trying to earn it. There are a lot of guys here that will help u though who don't have any karma. Just got to reach out to people...think of this site as the internet high school
Ha yeah like a gear university, I'm currently working on my masters ;)
How is karma useful?
I got 1- for posting a marine corps ega what the fuck
I like the karma system. Of course I believe that it represents popularity, ( at least to a degree). But I also do believe it represents knowledge and a member who is willing to help other members. It also gives me a sence of security and "some" trust, to a degree. When researching reviews, I am more likely to give credibility to members who are regulars, level 1, level 2 and have decent karma. If all I see is a whole bunch of good reviews from "basic" members with 1 karma. I'm really not to quick to give those reviews much credibility
It would also be good to down vote the score of sources who have been selling bunk products to many customers instead of their total staying the same
Thumbs down on reviews is how FanBoys are erasing reviews. 5 thumbs down and it's gone. So sources can continue the scam.
ahhh...that makes sense. ive had a few reviews disappear when being completely honest. then i realize its gone and figure i was meant to be nicer, so i change it a bit then it stays up forever...ha who knew
This is true? Never knew that about 5 thumbs down rule....huh. I don't like that at all. Mods should be the only ones who can erase a review
Does the 5 thumbs down also apply to forum posts? Needed a good laugh so I was looking for that post about the two sisters...ahem...and it was gone. I'm sure there is other reasons that one could have been deleted! Lol
The karma system will never be 100% but I think there is a few things that will make it better. The pic section should continue to be 1 pic per day with a the change being no additional Karma available.In the review section Karma should be removed.Down voting in review section should be allowed but not counted in karma. There should be a cap of 5 karma in all help threads. Beginners Group section should have karma with limit of 5. It would make going from 0-1200 karma in few months impossible. I been on this site for many years. I have been one of the most active members on this site. In several years I have received around 500 karma points. This includes 30 or so charity points. I posted a few reviews, a few pics of blood work, and helped with all the new members I could. With those Karma points I received plenty of perks. I did not have to bend the rule to try to make me look good. I never had to give advice over my head. I guess I just never got greedy. What I am getting at is this flawed system is only flawed for someone that has a messed up moral compass. When you are posting a thread are you doing it to help or Karma? Are you giving advice because you know it is true and you can help or because you might get a thumbs up? Finally why the fuck is everyone giving these karma points? If this is such a problem then why is everyone falling for the con and giving the points?
I'm just gonna tell you all straight I don't post on here a lot because I do my own research and this is one of the sites and resources I use. I see a lot of good advice here but also a shit ton of bull$hit bro science. I have no desire to get into a pissing match with someone regarding any of it. What I think needs to happen is for sources to be allowed to give their customer's buyer karma for example. I have a few long standing relationships with sources I trust and have always done me right. Because of my history when I say hey man this was messed up. They look at my history with them and know I'm not a whiner or just trying to scam. They know I'm being straight up. The problem comes in that I can't give those guys the scoring they deserve because I don't have that right with my measly two karma. Also, if I tried a new source and that source accidentally messes $hit up and I have no history they aren't going to believe me they are gonna think I'm a whiner or trying to scam them. So a source needs to be able give us buyers buyer karma as well imho.
One more reason the karma is bs. I posted the below on the forums. It was well researched and is absolutely correct and had detailed thoughts about what I was saying and why. It was after this posting I decided-- you know what -- I'm not wasting my time writing some good quality detailed information for discussion when I got basically one bs bro science a-hole and one guy who got it and nothing else in response. By the way I didn't get one karma point for it. Done for me, not posting, not sharing any longer. Sorry but it did piss me off. Here's the link if anyone is interested in reading what I'm saying:
You posted this two years ago and you're still upset that you didn't get karma for it?...
This site is all about what you put in, over time. Everyone puts things up and get nothing for it and then there are times you get points for virtually doing nothing. Those are the extremes, not the norm. You can take your ball and go home or you can contribute more and move up. It's just the system.
Also, If someone has something worthy and worthwhile, it doesn't matter what their "karma" is. There are lots of guys here who started where you're at and moved up quick, because they had things to share and helped others. It's not that difficult.
I'm not gonna lie and say I'm not still a little upset about it. But I think other things need to go into the Karma system. For example, time as a member on this site. Your right people can move up quickly. All they have to do is post a lot of incriminating evidence of the pictures of the new gear they just got with their smart phone that stamps the date, time and location if you don't know how to remove it. I'm not going down that road. But I have been on this site along time. I don't trust karma one bit. I know of instances where guys on this site have been banned for simply trying to gain karma and boosting each others karma so they get free gear for reviews ect. I don't look at karma at all. I read the post and make my own determination if the person is full of BS but I've been doing a lot of research on this and other sites and have a fairly good understanding when I read something of whether the author has a clue or not. If you're new to aas its harder to decipher. There was a time not that long ago karma was king here. It seemed if you had none your opinion meant nothing but posting this and other quality comments was not gaining me karma. So I just stopped contributing. I'd love to help other's but with the current system its impossible for new members to know what is legit or not. All I'm saying it needs a make over. That's my two cents.
I also very much agree with most of the below comments that it's way to easy to get your karma dropped. There have been many times I've wanted to respond with an opinion that was not going to be viewed by those "in the know" ie lots of karma and I was going to lose my two measly karma and possibly banned. The whole karma thing has problems. I'm glad eroids is looking into it. This is a great site and its a site that is really needed but karma as it stands now is completely bs.
"Those "in the know" ie lots of karma"... I get what you're saying. There are some people here that get put up on a pedestal but like you said , you can tell whose got the gift of gab. The way I look at it...if somebody hasn't been doing this for ten years then you're not a vet. I wouldn't take driving advice from an 18 year old so why would I take cycle advice from someone who just started doing this a few summers ago? I really don't care about any of the cliqs on here. Some people talk a good one but all it proves to me is that they caught up on their reading. Congratulations. But if there isn't actual experience to back up the internet wisdom...well hey, I'm sure there will be a few people on here to say " I'm not a nut hugger...but let me nut hug real quick."
I found this site in 2011. I haven't participated as much as I could have but I also have a life. When I started there were guys like Tread-M, Sgt stedanko, Viking, Goth, Grrrl, Bodybuilder, Hollywood, etc. and when they took the time to articulate a point...you listened. The reason being is that they had the experience to back up what they said. Some of them have disappeared, some are still knee deep. Lol. I miss that sometimes. I learned alot back then. There are still some vets here. I see alot of new-school vets now though and they have a following on here. They sure are well read but the experience...that's what I look for.
I use Karma as a trust thing on reviews, I don't trust a review unless it's from a user with a decent Karma.
Bad idea bro there have been numerous guys with high karma posting fake reviews. here is was you look for.. longevity .. customer satisfaction... does he take care of his customers.. how he interacts with his members... bloods from memebers running his gear. that's what you look for not high karma guys saying its legit
No karma for promo packs
Can't vote if it's free gear but can still review
Love it. I had enough karma for promo packs for like 3 days and someone didn't understand my sarcasm comment on a promo I intended to take part in and right back to pawn status I went. That'd be a good way to go I think.
It's a bit more complicated. See what Alin said and tell him if you agree with him or not.
It's never be a perfect system . I accept that . But imo those 2 suggestions cut down a lot of the bs