posted Sun, 08/13/2023 - 11:47
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+ 10 Ultima Test U
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Ordered during the BOGO for domestic Ultima products with OSgear. I just realized they sent me a vial of prop instead of Test U. So I reached out with a support ticket I’m sure they’ll make it right. I haven’t used straight prop in 10+ years aand I have zero intention of trying it again lol.
But decided I am going to use this more my TRT moving forward. I really just don’t want to inject every 2-3 days I think that’s ridiculous so I’m hoping this could be a solution to my metabolization rate.
Plan will be 500mg once weekly for the next 4 weeks to load. Then drop back to 250mg once weekly for four weeks. Then retest labs and allow that to number to determine where to continue.
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TU worked pretty good for me. I hate pinning so I decided to try TU for my TRT. Hopefully the TU works for you but it will take a long time to really know. I kind of modified the protocol developed by Schubert et al; 2004
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/89/11/5429/2844325?login=false
His protocol was an initial loading dose of 3 x 1000mg every 6 wks and then 1000mg E12wks for maintenance. I took that to mean 3 six-week courses at 1000mg/wk. So, every 6wks I would pin 500 in each cheek and did that 3x. Then I went to 250mg E3wks for maintenance (instead of doing the 1k E12wk). This put me in the upper 700's for T levels. There really are no peaks or troughs with TU, you stay pretty stable throughout the course. It takes a long time to get there though because that ester takes forever to cleave so the loading phase is essential to get those numbers up to a respectable level and then it is an easy cruise from there.
I used the pharma version of test u ampules, Nebido, but wasn't too thrilled with it. Lumped up the site pretty bad afterwards and made for one of the most uncomfortable plane ride I've taken to date. 27 hour plane ride abroad and pinned 2ml in each glute about 3 hours before boarding. I can tolerate 3cc of pharma test prop in my glutes with no issues, but test undec left both sites lumped up and very uncomfortable for about week and a half. It wasn't a painful lump, just very aware of it and felt as if I was sitting on golf balls. I've yet to try any UGL though.
I've never used the pharma. I wonder if it was the castor that just stayed lumped up. I have used the pharma primo with castor I believe but never had any lumping or pain with that. All the UGL TU has been pip free for me.
I couldn't figure it out also because I too have used my share of rimos in castor, no lumping. I've also used pharma norma hellas TestE in castor and no lumps like I got with pharma nebido. I just wrote it off as I don't react well with test undec and/or there's a chemical in the composition of pharma nebido that I am not agreeing to.
LMFAO Sat on a pair of Golf Balls!! Been there done that, its funny when you do a side quad shot and it lumps and you are a side sleeper like me. Whole side of your leg feels like you are laid on something in bed Lol
I’ve completely given up on quads, it’s definitely a no fly zone for my syringes
The only time its bad is when you get the knee jerk from a nerve or a bathroom sprayer from going through a vein on the way in and then pulling out unaware LMAO
Nerve for me every other time bro, no exaggeration, every other effing time. I’ve had my lower leg shoot straight out and stay there lol, awful
Thanks for that experience and insight brother
Whats the carrier oil my man? Castor oil or an mct?
I just started the same ester for trt as well.
Looks like MCT and that’s what press said below! I don’t know for sure but it was thin so my guess is MCT
Indeed, the carrier oil is MCT Oil. This info will soon be available on each product page for all brands on our website, so you'll be able to check the carrier oil for each product before ordering it.
That will actually be really helpful guys
It will be great if all the labs will move towards using MCT in the near future.
Awesome order please let us know how this treats u brother been thinking about test u for quite some time.
Will do bro
This should be interesting to see how you do on this injection protocol mate, I keep eyeing this up too anticipating the day I lose interesting in pinning gear LMAO
Ultima use MCT bud, one of the main reasons I love their oils so much.
Good choice. You may be going a little heavy on that front load. Makwa had a protocol maybe he'll chime in. I got new lab results in at week 14, 75mg put me at 617 ng/dl.
Per the Nebido research they were doing 4ml at injection 1 (1000mg) with another injection same dose at 6 or 8 weeks. And from there it went to 1000mg every 12 weeks. So mine is a little bit heavier but I also require a bit more than the average so I wanted to over hit it vs under since I’ve been close to low T basically all year since my injury until recently. Lol. But I don’t anticipate I’ll Overshoot it too much.
+1 Lol again, we all aren't the same, hence your past issues with bloods. And you're correct about that research. I think you're doing what's best for you with this protocol for sure, being that you had certain issues in the past. I can understand your logic for sure. You know your body and good luck.
Thanks brother!
If I were on trt, which I don't do, there is no way that I'd want to be injecting every 2-3 days like you stated above..no sir! With that said when I eventually start trt this test U will be my first option as far as esters. To me it's a no brainer, for trt it should be one and done lol. I know you wouldn't know but the big question is how is the pip. I'm sure you'll let us know. I'm sure oil is thicker, being castor oil like pharmaceutical uses.This does have my attention
Just did my first pin this morning brother I’ll keep you updated here for sure. I added my half cc of script test to it and split it between glutes. So 1.25ml each injection. And ultima isn’t castor oil! One of the reasons I went with it from another members suggestion. Also didn’t wanna pin with a 21g needle lol. But it was just as thin as anything suspended in MCT. I’m not sure what Ultima uses for their carrier oil though. It was harder to push through the Cyp that was in the barrel through a 25g.
Damn it..totally forgot that no doubt a bigger gauge needle would be needed for sure with 100% castor oil. Not what I'm looking for! Anyways your other dom src sells test U also but I hear it's a thinner oil too. I wonder what would be the difference in both oils when it comes to pharmacokinetics of each. I mean if a thinner oil is just the same I wonder why pharma decided on castor oil as the carrier oil. Makes you wonder.
You were right in this and now I remember, I went with Ultima because of the lower mg concentration. Wanted to decrease my chances of PIP lol.
Understood. We both are pip sensitive lol.
Happy to report zero PIP for both glutes on day 2 from injection Sunday. Which is pretty rare for me as you know lol
Obviously it's better for cruising but in my opinion it may be a good stability test base along with other esters of test on cycle. You would have to find dosage sweet spot though.
Cool. Yea we both have major pip issues lol. I don't cruise but I'm gonna have to look into this ester. Appreciate the update.
Yup and it’s an interesting thought what the difference in carrier oil may do with the kinetics but honestly I have no idea. There used to be a few guys around here years ago one was an analytical chemist and the other biochem scientist. No idea what their handles were at this point but maybe if they’re still lurking they will chime in
Maybe I'm thinking into it way too much but from what I understood, there was a reason castor oil was used with Pharma. Not sure if reason the oil was used because it held test U together better in oily solution than other oils or because it somehow supports the undecanoate ester in some odd secondary manner. Anyways like you said, hopefully we figure it out. Anyways keep us updated.
I think* that domestic is castor oil. But I’m not sure now that I think about it he’ll I might have even asked him and forgot about it.