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-1 TRT Progress (HGH & Test & much more)

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Alright, gang. Here are the bloods for the 2months of TRT. First of all, great products from both @dcpharm.co and @hghpharma. The black and white Health Gorilla bloods are where I started, and Ulta Labs is where I am now. My TRT protocol is very much a baseline intake of 200mg of Test C a week (twice a week initially), and 2ius of Dragontropin every day (no days off) before bed. As you can see, the e2 is high so I do have some Dex on hand but to be honest, I feel great! I will say that the only side effect that can attest to e2 from my research, is that about 3 weeks ago my sleep wasn't as good as prior. I did my research and read very positive recommendations on switching protocols and broking down my dosage from 100mg twice a week to 50mg every other day, and see if I can get the sleep under control while lowering the e2, without having to take Dex. The sleep still isn't there yet but has improved a bit.

Just wanted to ask the community for advice if based on those numbers below, should I jump now on Dex, and if so, what protocol is best to follow when someone is splitting their weekly TRT into 4 days instead of 2? I have read 0.5 every 3 days, and I have also read 1mg between the 2nd and 3rd pin per week but nothing that gives me reassurance, so I'm wondering if anyone has tried any of these protocols with success.

For the HGH, the product is excellent and the numbers are what I would expect for someone taking 2iu's a day.

Other factors that I can mention: I do 16/8 fasting 3 or 4 times a week. My water intake is always high (gal + daily).
Supps: Omega 3 (Oil: 2000mg, EPS: 800mg, DHA: 600mg), Vitamin D3 (6000 iu daily), TUDCA with Milk Thistle for liver protection, and BCAAs. I don't do much for supps and take my protein from my food.
I also have a prescription for Adderall 50mg that I only take as needed.

Workout: 6 times per week weight training/ Cardio every day for an hour with a goal of 800 cal burned (just on cardio).
Diet: Clean for most of the week (5 days). Very little sugar, and no bread. I don't eat past 6pm
My goal: Lose 10-15lbs more, and just live healthier.

Would really appreciate the feedback from the community.

Reysalsero's picture

Hey idiot. If you keep reading, I do mentioned that this was THE DOSE I WAS PRESCRIBED by the TRT center I’m working with. I didn’t make this up, this were the results from what I was prescribed. How am I lying? BTW “ So youre living on full cycle and citing trt? Talk about early death....

Its comedy seeing folks doing multi pins a week on trt doses citing broscience with bloods proving its not working.”
And where do you mentioned “unhealthy”? That’s too big of a nice word to come from you. Stop commenting on what anyone posts, if you have nothing worthy of saying to help that person. You have a ton of good knowledge that could be put to helping others but instead, you treat people of lying without knowing, you assume w/o knowing, and you make many in this community utterly despise you. Such a waste.

Jjohnbubby5's picture

Hey 200 is definitely trt for me.. I respond like an old crack whore to a 20 rock

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Reysalsero's picture

And that's why I'm here, to get advice. You're quick at criticizing instead of helping. BTW - the 4 pins didn't come from broscience, it came from a Dr.

JEX30Sex's picture

Don't mind rusty he's an angry bear, you can pet him sometimes but like as not he'll take a finger.

ONESICK's picture

Baseline TRT is generally around 100mg a week and you adjust from there. Preferably in 25mg increments. Like Mak said, cut in half.

Makwa's picture

That is nothing close to TRT. You are running a cycle. Best thing you can do is cut your weekly dosage in half and the estro will go down to.

Drexyl's picture

He’ll eventually be able to spread his blood on toast like jam. Or apricot preserves in that little container at the pancake houses. The fact that I just referenced that is telling me I need some pancakes in my life soon.

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Reysalsero's picture

HAHAHAHAHA!!...Shit, you just made me hungry!

Reysalsero's picture

Thank you. 200mg of Test C a week is a cycle (I do 4 pins of 50mgs)? I didn't know that. I thought more along the lines of 400mg+ a week of test would be considered a cycle. So go with just 100mgs of test a week, correct? Also, hold off on the Dex?

Thanks again for your advice.

Rosschestzip's picture

The dose isn't what makes it trt or a cycle, it's what your bloodwork shows. If you need 500mgs a week to get 800 test then that's trt. If 150mg a week puts you at 2000 test then that's a cycle. Now both of those examples are very unlikely or at least uncommon but its just an example. its whatever dose puts you at normal range.

Makwa's picture

The whole point behind TRT is to replace the levels of test that you normally had before your HPTA went in the crapper. You are essentially 2x higher than what would be considered normal. No one has normal test levels of 1500+. That is a cycle. You are elevated way above normal levels. Not good for long term health. Your blood is turning to sludge and your estro is out of whack which has also been confirmed by your bloodwork. If you need to use an AI while on TRT then your dose is too high. When your body is in homeostasis your test levels will be normal and also your estro, hence no need for AI.

Reysalsero's picture

Got it. Thank you for the explanation and makes total sense. Will taper down starting tomorrow. I definitely value your input.

Mac12769's picture

You’ve definitely been on a cycle with those numbers and your labs show it. It’s not terrible yet (RBC, H/H), but I’d drop down to 100mg for 3 months, let the receptors reset, and clean up the lipids/glycerides before starting up something new. Then see what a true baseline is for ya…..

Reysalsero's picture

Makes sense. Will cut the test in half. Much appreciated!!

ONESICK's picture

Not really necessary to pin 4 times a week unless you like to pin lol. For C, just do 2 max. And yes 200mg is a cycle for the vast majority. Anything above the reference range would be cycle territory. Though a low one, a cycle is a cycle.

Reysalsero's picture

Thank you, brother. I did qualify as a low-test candidate based on the bloods from Health Gorilla I just posted. That's what I was told by a doc a well-known Men's treatment center. The only reason I was doing 4 pins was to keep the test picks more stable and therefore help with lowering the e2 conversation. I will certainly take up the advice. Much appreciated!

ONESICK's picture

With the longer esters like C or E, at least for me the levels are negligible. Like I've tried the multi pins to once a week. I didn't see a whole lot of difference in how I felt. Sure the more frequent the more consistent you'll be but it isn't really necessary. You're really just wasting needles lol

Reysalsero's picture

I actually thought the same thing! I'm going through needles like candy. Going to donate blood later today and start on 1/2 dosage tomorrow. Dr. Rand on Youtube actually advises that going through that 'micro dosing' protocol helps with the stabilizing but since I'm going with 1/2 now, I'm going to do as you and Mac suggested and save myself some cash. I appreciate it, man.

Makwa's picture

Micro dosing looks good on paper, that is about where it ends. Kind of like either being book smart or street smart.

Reysalsero's picture

Thanks, Mak. This good to know.

ONESICK's picture

I just watched his video. The more frequent is just about chasing a number and keeping it consistent. You really aren't going to feel different. At least for me I didn't. Plus he's telling you to get on am AI while on TRT lol no then you aren't going on TRT. Is this the Doctor you're going by? What about your actual doctor? Or you self prescribed going off of YouTube doc? Not trying to be a dick but I see this too often.

Reysalsero's picture

No worries man, I know you and Mac are trying to help so no offense taken and you're asking the right questions. I actually worked with Dr. Howe who's the prescribing doc on the bloods I shared above. He's with Hone Health, which specializes in TRT, and who advised on the dosages. I'm having a conversation with him early next week. The problem is that because it's a subscription-based service, you only get x amount of opportunities to speak to the doc. so I rely on experts' advice here that I can use until my next appointment.