Strange blood work
I am currently on a 500 mg test e cycle, up till about 4-5th week I was running 1-test cypionate, since then I have dropped the 1-test and am gonna use it for a cut, I have added in dbol which I'm still trying to figure out if it's good after being expired for 3 yrs. however I felt my one pre existing gyno lump getting noticeable bigger and couldn't figure out why, e2 came back extremely fucking low? However my progesterone was much higher than in the past? I'm thinking the 1-test cyp caused this? Maybe caused the gyno? I doubled my ai for the past three days( prior to knowing what my levels were because I thought they were high) and my lump is smaller... Royally confused as to what's going on, I have noticed terrible acne on my arms which I never have had, and can not fall asleep or stay asleep. Had great erections but low sex drive and I have been miserable.
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The only strange thing about this blood work is that no respectable lab would give the result in this vulgar fashion. No units, no range, nothing.
Honestly, I think this is just an Excel sheet that you printed at home. I could be (and I hope I am) wrong.
TropicanaJuiceIt's from my doctors office... It's what they printed off for my personal reference
I know 1-test gave me a good amount of acne and it was really tough on my nips as well.
TropicanaJuiceGood to know, compound is awesome at what it does, but wish I stuck to something like test and dbol the classic mass stack from day 1, couple vets and even decent ranked bodybuilder have never hear of 1-test, isn't something I shoulda thrown in on second cycle especially since most ppl have never ran it, live and learn, just glad I got bloods
TropicanaJuiceLol I don't know how u get down voted for posting bloods and being responsible about ur health...
prolactin and estrogen are the only hormones that will cause gyno.
TropicanaJuiceOk I was thinkin progesteron. So what we have here is 1-test acting as a progestin, increasing prolactin, flaring my gyno up but no lactation due to the tanked e2 levels? Fucking crazy, I would have never known without blood work either, I woulda kept increasing my ai thinking it's high, no wonder why guys don't gain on cycles when their other hormones are fucked, that and poor nutrition and training lol
1-test is not a progestin and should not raise prolactin. Your e2 could be tanked but your gyno could have formed before your estrogen got low. Also were you using aromasin ?
If you used aromasin and took it close to the time of your blood test that will tank your levels. Aromasin has a 9 hour half life so that could mean your levels tank in the morning when you take it then remain high all day until next dose. Many guys metabolize aromasin faster than other people.
Personally I think aromasin is trash and should only be used if a person does not react well to arimidex.
AnonBINGO ive seen so many aromasin fails it aint even funny
I love my arimidex
TropicanaJuiceWhat would be causing the higher than normal progesterone levels? It has to be the 1-test
i wouldnt worry about progesterone. you have low estrogen that could be why your progest is up. PROGESTERONE IS NOT BAD
TropicanaJuiceYes but isn't progesterone a precursor to prolactin? I mean there had to be something else causing my flare up if e2 is tanked
No dude I don't know where you learned all this nonsense but you got it all wrong!!!
AnonDude i gave u a detailed conversions of proestrogen
read my post below
TropicanaJuiceHigh test levels cause the hypothalamus to produce prolactin, with just test it's not a big concern, howver add something with a strong binding to the ar receptor(tren, or 1-test that I was using) and u get prolactin issues, which in turn can cause gyno, I noticed the lump after I stopped aro for two days to try and recover from crashed e2. My estrogen probably reached a slight high point and prolactin was high which caused the flare up. I have been off the 1-test for two weeks and will add in 600 mgs of b6 to act upon the prolactin levels I feel caused the issue. Everything I fucking read contradicts another long ass post with medical journals, all I know is I had bad gyno got it cut out and not trying to go down that path, imbalance of hormones are not good, consequences are going to happen, trying to keep progesterone e2 and prolactin in range with test off the charts ;)
false. prolactin usually has to do with thyroid or other things. Generally test doesn't cause this.
false once again. It does not matter how strong a steroid binds to the AR!!!! That has nothing to do with causing prolactin or not!!! Where the heck are you getting this horrible false information from?
You are misinterpreting all this information. Bro sorry to say but you aren't exactly making sense in your "theories" and don't pay attention to broscience because that is what a lot of your thoughts and guesses seem to be.
You have gyno flare. You think its caused by progesterone. No. False. You say it happened immediately after taking aromasin, you also say you tanked your estrogen which is why you stopped. YOU ARE EXPERIENCING ESTROGEN ISSUES AND THE AROMASIN IS NOT HELPING OR IS MAKING IT WORSE.
Is prolactin causing your gyno? Probably not but you could get bloods to be sure however I think estrogen is the root of your problems.
AnonThat well organizes highlighting shit worked and u made him come to light lol hahaha
Bro u got some patient and a key board or a big ass touchscreen fone lol
+1 mofo
TropicanaJuiceYou are right, progesterone is indeed good for us, does not cause gyno, prolactin in absence of estrogen does not cause gyno, estrogen and estrogen only cause gyno. Control estrogen and u control gyno, however high prolactin levels and high estrogen levels are nasty. I think since the flare seemed to happen when I went off the aro for a couple days that I simply had a flare up due to estrogen, I am sorry I was misinformed and ignorant. I'm glad we are getting to the bottom of this and I appreciate your help with this, this site is awesome and everyone is willing to help a brother out, were all In this together
Of course my dude its cool. Don't worry we will get this thing figured out. The first step is to diagnose the problem correctly lol. Hopefully we can help you get this all sorted and fixed!
" Personally I think aromasin is trash and should only be used if a person does not react well to arimidex."
On what do you base such a bold statement on?
It's short half life makes it not the best choice. The way it metabolizes is different for individuals. For one person it takes an hour to metabolize, for another it takes minutes, for others it takes multiple hours.
Another thing is the double bond to AE means synthesis of aromatase. The rate at which an individual synthesizes enzymes is never the same as another person. So lots of variation and instability.
Also aromasin causes more side effects, usually acne and hairloss in many people. For me it not only does that, but it crashes my estrogen after dosing then hours later my estrogen goes the other way and I suffer high estrogen symptoms until next dose including puffy nipples, emotional issues - crying during tv shows, bloating/water retention, and irritibility. Sex drive is shit on aromasin all over the place, energy is extremely low and I just feel like crap on it. Can never get dosing correct on it. Personally I'd need to take like 1mg every hour to feel stable on it which is pretty much impossible.
I stick to low dose adex eod and 25mg proviron and feel like a million bucks never any estrogen issues or highs or lows. Zero side effects (other than extreme libido!)
I could not agree with you more. Exactly, and I do mean exactly, what happens to me on aromasin. No issues with Adex.
TropicanaJuiceWell my progesterone Is elevated, and I took aromasin 4-5 hours before blood work, second week got bloods at e2 was at 13 with 12.5 split into two different doses, am and pm. When I got tested the first time I only took the pm dose didn't take the am dose before I went in for bloods, another thing I just remembered is I took 40 mgs of nolva two nights in a row to try and bring the puffyness down but seemed to make it worst which leads me to believe it's prolactin related
TropicanaJuice2nd week into cycle e2 at 13 this was 5 weeks into cycle with e2 at 9
TropicanaJuiceWell what I think could be a possibility is 1-test being a progesterone, therefore increasing prolactin and causing the gyno issues? I need to get my e2 back in range the last 6 weeks have been very minimal gains which sucks.
Anonprogesterone is not gona cuz gyno, see your body is not producing testosterone no more cuz ur supplementing exogenuosly. pregnenolone is a precursor of testosterone and progesterone, since ur body not producing more testosterone u have that extra pregnenolone to convert to progesterone. Progesterone converts to glucocoteroids like cortisol, corticosterone, cortisone, DHEA , Aldosterone which controls ur urine out put, and it could also convert to estrogens but ur estrogens seem pretty low. So i doubt ur having gyno due to estrogens.
Are you sure ur gyno has gotten bigger? Is it more sensitive than b4? Does it hurt?
TropicanaJuiceThe one nipple which has been smaller since post gyno surgery last year seems like the lump deff was bigger. And since I upped my ai it seems as if it's breaking up, or maybe dropping the 1-test has helped. Fucking sucks I haven't been gaining this cycle and I'm 6 weeks in, stronger yes but not bigger, estrogen deff plays a big role, but I walk a thin like cuz I'm gyno prone. I got a buddy who is a vet and never ever used an ai, awesome physique never had gyno issues, some ppl are just worst off then others
AnonYea it does play big role man
TropicanaJuiceIf it's prolactin from progesterone why was the lump getting bigger tho? I thought prolactin and progesterone didn't affect lumps?
AnonMight wanna check prolactin..
TropicanaJuiceYa I'm thinking 1-test exhibits tren like qualities
TropicanaJuiceE2 at 9.9
Estrone at 6.2
Estrogen total at 16.1
Progesterone at 1.02 past was .35 and .40