posted Sun, 08/20/2017 - 04:01
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+ 16 Roid Test shows Pandas Primo is Fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am at a loss of words. I have purchased a lot of gear from this guy and I thought his stuff was legit but I wanted to test it to be sure. I went ahead and got a roid test and sure enough his Primo came back fake. The Esther test B came back good (enanthate) However the part D test (Checks the hormone) came back false. It was suppose to change to a brownish color however it stayed clear as a bell for over 20 min. I followed the instructions to the T of the test.
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You bought a $42 bottle of Primo and its not real????? No shit....lol
No shit right? I don't think I've ever got primo at that price when sources run 50% off deals. When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
Holy shit, this post escalated fast!!!
I don't think validation for these tests can ever be presented due to the differences between oils and also preservatives used by different labs. Whoever created the test will have set the bar against one set of ingredients, whereas some Far Eastern manufacturer could be using different ingredients. Maybe these things are better for the unesterified ingredients??? Colorimetric tests are flawed that way, which seems to be why LE or customs will always get secondary testing done once one of these tests pops up a flag.
The source has said will pay for a test, so that should be interesting to see where it goes!!!! Drama!!!!
They would have to validate it with different oils is all, very easy to do. Normal test kits would come with information pertaining to what samples are acceptable, but again this place does operate within normal standards or meet FDA requirements.
Ok I see what you mean but, the oils themselves could be causing colour reactions right? I mean, the oils/esters or preserv's must be causing reactions given the different colours for different test esters for example. So, given that has to be true, you would actually have to validate every permutation.....
Raw test
Raw test + ester x all versions
Test + ester + oil x all versions
Test + ester + oil + preserv's x all versions
and so on.... or have individual tests or grouped per compound? Do you think?
That just doesnt seem feasible, leaving the test pretty unreliable. If an oild can give a result, then surely an oil with no compound can give a false positive? I presume somehow the same in reverse may be true too?
Yes this is true I've seen a test fail that was proven positive with another test the reason was that carrier oils change the color of the reaction.
Such as gso will give a darker color than cotton seed.
There we go
shows the value in a real test
We have a Maldi at work which after talking to some private testers I found that it's a mass spec machine and it's whatever one uses. I've been meaning to try to figure it out because it's kind of complicated and I don't use it because I rotate through all departments and it's in microbiology. I guess I could just load something into it and it will give me the molecular weight. It won't tell me what it is because I would need to have the library but I could compare weights.
That would be good. Will you do it?
If I can do so and cover my tracks I might. I wouldn't be willing to run a testing service or anything like that but maybe on occasion I would be able to test something and share results. I have a lot of learning to do still though.
I'm not sure what the requirements would be as far as whether you would have to test individually or in combo, but yeah the template you have lined i would imagine to be similar to what's required. There's standards for test like these but I would have to try to find them. They could have tested the oils that are typically used and the solvents which are benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate, and sometimes guaiacol and ethyl oleate. That would be say as these are what's used in 99%+ labs and then they could have used ncluded that the n procedure limitations.
It's we'll know that oil by itself can give a reaction. In the early stages people found out labmax was positive every time with mct oil. These test give out way more false positives than they do negatives, so for me MS and HLPC are the only way to go and you can get it done for 60-100$ typically.
Mct oil? That's amazing.
Yeah I agree. For the sake of a few €$'s more, to avoid any confusion.
I know that here in Ireland, we have adopted similar type of tests for drugs, by the police. But a positive test is not considered conclusive by any means and will simply see you taken back to the police station for blood testing.
MS and HPLC all the way.
I'm starting to think maybe this bs is a competitor. This stuff is hurting the source.
I don't think so I was talking to him from my anime forum and he was excited to get the primo and gear for that price then a few days later obviously disappointed I mean I could be wrong but I don't think so when he first had the result he was hesitant to post for this reason I told him to share it based on my recent primo experience which that source made right .... this source isn't what I would exactly call trustworthy just saying cause all the bs eroids has seen since he showed up
I'm curious about you saying the source hasn't exactly been what you would call trust worthy? I have seen a lot of dumb shit since he showed up here but it was dumb shit from members not the source.... like all the dumb people that mention taboo subjects and wanna talk too much about shipping details. As far as the source being not trustworthy I don't think it's something i can accurately say without having some proof of him intentionally burning someone or wronging someone and not making it right. With my personal experience with pp I have had legit gear with no complaints (so far from the products I've ran which isn't a lot of products) but if some of products are not real then that shit needs to be exposed. With that being said I don't have much faith in this test method.... it makes me question the source's primo but also feel like it's a 50/50 chance about real or fake. I really wish someone other than the source would send this primo off to have a reliable test done and have source pay for it. Then if the primo results come back as real I will probably not question shit again from source but if it comes back fake I'll know I better stick to the cheap compounds I've already tried. Sorry to rant for ever buddy I just thought I'd add my 2 cent to this post also and mainly I was curious about your "trustworthy" comment because if there is something shady we don't know about the source I feel like I should be able to know about it. Thanks buddy it's always good to hear from ya you've alway got my respect
We are getting this primo tested!!! I Hope to have updates soon after i ship
much respect to you to my friend
All the shady shit from members and shills associated with this source it's pretty easy to see and I also think this source has been here before but that's just speculation.
You can't say that bs reviews and reps don't fall back on a source you know what's up because if that's not the case why aren't other sources having this issue ?
I hear ya bro. You are right about all the fake ass reviews that popped up real soon after he showed up and he does seem to have a bunch of people acting like they are reps for him..... more so than I normally see from other sources and that is a red flag because most good sources let the gear do the talking for them. I noticed all that but didn't know if you was referring to something that happened we were not all already aware of. My personal experience with him so far is great so I'm crossing my fingers that it stays that way. Lol.
If the gears good and t/a is on point I don't blame ya but if this source is who I think then some people might get left empty handed you can bank on that 8)
I don't think he's talking about the op, he hasn't been shady. It's all the other shit. Care to pm me your thoughts as to why this source isn't trustworthy?
Unfortunately for the source, all the reps and shills are making him look very bad regardless of whether he's directly at fault or not. That's just the reality.
true true
I don't want to hurt the source he seems like a good guy and I believe that he thinks his stuff is legit. I am going to work with him to get to the bottom of this. Roidtest says fake Panda says it's legit we have to test more I guess and see whats what.
I'm not talking about you.
That's entirely up to you it's not your responsibility to test the gear it's the sources... if you send it off that'd be cool to see what the results are but you aren't obligated to in any way and I personally wouldn't want to send shit thru the mail but that's me.
oxymetholone96lmao roidtest is a joke all of purple panda stuff is legit, the oil you use to brew can cause a fail test.
your a worthless sellout pos shill ban hammer on its way I'm sure
As usual you are on point
Good call
And you know this how ? Did you preform the test.. nope so please hush up unless you have valid proof or something positivebto contribute . The way your acting I would say you could be a rep for the source and that will get you troll status or banned fast
If you weren't sucking the source off he wouldn't call you a shill. You just joined today so either you've been banned or your a shill.
oxymetholone96its cool more gear for me
Shush, shill.
Try saying that ten times fast.
I just tried
Couldn't do it...
oxymetholone96https://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsourcetalk/comments/6r1gvo/review_re_roi...
heres a example roid test is a joke you seriously think those are accurate at all lol.
from thread
yet they're the one's with reps and attacking someone for posting a negative test that could help the community.
weird, that the one attacking the guy that did the test and sticking up for the source quotes reddit as proof. must be so honest and legit over there... A dream land where everyone is a shill. super cool.
EDIT: I know this guy's banned. this post is for the community. I didn't know we had a repuation... also don't understand how we got it since the whole reason I come here is the honesty/safety/lack of bullshit, shills, reps, etc.
PS. Mod then locked the thread because "nothing good is going to come out of it"... nothing good was going to come out of a guy with a failed test that was going to send it out for mass spec to confirm... Just told me everything I needed to know.
Seems like you know how to navigate the site. Impressive for a guy who joined today...
I have no issue with you expressing your opinion on roid test. I do see a potential problem with saying ALL of PPLs stuff is good. His menu is expansive. There is no way you've tested or even tried it all. You have no practical way of knowing that. And you're 22. You're not unwelcome here but you will land in hot water for just discussing gear, much less brewing it and sharing pics.
This post has Almost gone viral
Haha I know
AnonWill source give response?
https://www.eroids.com/pics/purple-panda-domestic#comment-2639114
If you read the thread you'll see why it's never a good idea to Source ride. It always makes us as members look bad and potentially ruins our credibility. Hopefully this test is a false reading and the issue gets resolved but if this isn't perfect proof of why vets say to newer folks to never jock a source I don't know what else is. I wish no ill will on anyone including the source. I just think this is a good lesson for members to learn never to put your credibility on the line for a source. Even if they end up being great.
Well said
Apparently my previous comment got lost in the shuffle. This needs to be sent out for confirmation testing via MS and HPLC. Labmax and roidtest have never provided validation testing which is the thing that proves their test work. In order to do this they would have to acquire known standards which means I would have to work with the DEA. Do you think the DEA is going to give former professional bodybuilders a license to work with steroids legally? We have one color metric test that we use in our lab. It's to detect the presence of sugars in urine, however it cannot differentiate them only tells if they're there or not. So I find it laughable that people believe there's a test out there that can identify which steroids are present based on a color change when we can't even identify sugars which are far more simple.
What about the road side tests the cops use i know that there very unreliable but there approved and you get arrested for a positive reaction
Did you check to see how many of those cases get thrown out? They're being used less because they cause so many false positives and people don't like to sit in jail for no reason and lawsuits are expensive.
Yep I read an article where they tested those roadside tests throwing just random things into them and they were showing false positive for alot of dtugs
I believe that they put a skittles in one and it was positive for meth wtf right
I wrote about one that just happened it was drywall and it trsted positive for coke guy sat in jail for 6 months and the real lab came back as drywall
Yeah my aunt is an attorney for a city that has high violence and drug crimes and she told the cops she works with to ditch those test because they weren't going to take any of the cases where that was the only test. Usually those people get caught for other reasons. My cousins a cop and he said probably half of his arrest have come from someone doing something stupid right in front of him while he's in full uniform.
Usually when there wrong it's a different color not clear. Could be a tainted test.