posted Sun, 05/26/2024 - 07:07
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So started my cycle like two days ago at 196, somehow I’ve managed to get leaner the past couple weeks, while not dropping weight so that’s cool. My original goal was 220 but I know I won’t be able to do that until my digestion is absolutely perfect. So I think a more obtainable goal would be 210, even that may be hard while having to stay right around 3200 calories. Just making this post so I have a documented starting point.
Test E- 1000 Masteron P-420 NPP-350 HGH-8ius
These doses may change, hgh may come down when I change brands next month, I haven’t really used NPP in years so that might go up or down depending on how it goes, if I pull it out, Mast will go up
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Thanks a lot man!
anvilRoss, don't let anyone flame the gram of test, as long as your bloods are good it's perfectly fine. The research supports high doses as long as health is good and there is no magic number , the magic number is whatever you can handle without doing more harm then good. Only a few guys post what they really do because everyone would take shots. I only use test/primo/var, in order to continue to gain at my age...you guessed it, the dosage goes up.
Also looking great my guy
Buddy, do you take anything for your Blood pressure or is that with BP meds?
I always try to keep mine below 130, you will find training is a lot easier at that level. Sometimes though it can be hard when messing with Dianabol admittedly.
1050mg test p - 1.5ml daily
700mg tren a - 1ml daily
600mg mast p - 2ml mon /wed/fri
Winny 60mg daily last 5 weeks
Clen 50mg daily 2 weeks on 2 off
8iu hgh daily 2 x 4iu shots
That’s my current cut cycle
Im craving tren acetate now. Summer time and tren acetate just go
I use to be just about able to run Tren Ace in mild temperatures over here in the spring, how you guys run it in US summers I do not know. I guess you have air conditioning to help you out in most places though. We don't in our homes so imagine a night during summer, in bed on trenbolone LMAO 3 kg's lighter in the morning lol
Some people have the same things with Nandrolone, from my side i sweat a lot with only a therapeutic dosage of Deca 100/125mg weekly during summer. Atwinter all is ok (^_^)
The only positive thing for the body temperature , can give me is not to be cold during swimming sessions when the water is very cold
I can see it coming in handy for that buddy! lol
That would be brutal. My mother doesn’t have AC and I never had it growing up. I visit her for about three weeks every summer and my room is on the second floor and hear rises, I swear it’s over 100 up there, I was on dhb there last summer, I looked like a freak, It was like a cartoon character with the sweat actually pouring out. My mom thought I was in like cardiac arrest the whole time I was there lol
Bro my place is 4th floor up and is like a Fucking furnace come the middle of summer, constant heat rising up through all the floors then it lingers for up to 48 hours afterwards. I would LOVE A/C throughout, looked into it and would cost a few grand to get a couple of rooms connected to an extractor fan out the back. I think the fan would make too much noise though and annoy the other apartments when they have their windows open.
You can’t get a little window unit?
Ooof
Nah you just sweat like your on a mission.
God tren acetate... That's it right there. With the masteron prop.. I don't think anything beats that.
Nothing beats it im using a 100/100/100 cutter pip free at 1/2 cc aday. Maybe gone jump up to hang with these big boys
You know it buddy
Bro if your saturated with tren acetate it's everyone else trying to hang with you. I'm just a tren a fan man though. Had some crazy good times on the shit
Ya besides stokes, that’s a big boy dose of ace for sure
Started week 4 today lol. Ride is great
Dabm i love this. Wish my muscles could handle all those cc’s
I. An only get 1cc each delts, pecs,traps
2.5cc each glute. Never tried legs
@stokes500
I rotate around my body I can go in 3 different points on my shoulders , 2 on my quads , glutes , lats and occasionally biceps and triceps
anvilThe legs are where its at.
anvilAnd Stokes that why I list you in every one of my posts saying your a real one. Big guys need bigger doses and so do the experienced ones. I am out of likes or I would give you 10.
We're cool but gotta disagree just a little bit on that my man. Now yes I agree pros are a different story. And generally bigger doses bigger gains but some big guys grow on medium like dosages. All depends. I've seen that. I have experience but hey to each their own. I Wish all good health @anvil
Lol I have experience but that list would kick my ass and that's FACT lol. If I'm not mistaken at least he's getting 3 month check ups which I'm willing to bet alot of guys that use these same dosages aren't getting. I'm Just saying my man! On top on that like Stokes commented to me and I've seen this myself, there are plenty of guys that don't even look like they're on higher gear dosages. Lol that's strange to me cause at least look the damn part if you're gonna go that higher dose route lol. They're potentially inviting more side effects yet they still are looking and weighing the same...haha straight circus action there lol! Makes no sense, at least get some gains ya know. Seriously I don't get it though. These are facts my man and I'm sure you can understand what I'm trying to say.
anvilOf course, that's why my stance is a high dose you can handle without doing more harm then good. Since receptor down regulation has been scientifically debunked, and the myostatin down regulation after 6 weeks has also been laid to rest...We can see that if you can only stay healthy on 400mg test per week then that is what you should do. Stokes is coaching and I have just a couple of people I work with, we are not pros and my clients aren't either but we can learn from what the best in the world do. And to my knowledge saying I am going to 400mg test and deca for 12 weeks does not exist in the advance body building world. In the beginner or person who is happy to be maintaining of course its a good stack, but if you do the same dosage every time, how can you increase nutrient portioning , or cut down lower on macros without loosing tissue. These guys with their BULK cycles or CUTs. You try to build lean tissue and grow then cut the fat off to see what you actually did. Do what works and is the healthiest for you! As always I say this with the utmost respect for you @DeeMan and the whole crew.
Last run -
20 weeks 400 calorie surplus
weeks 1-4 400 test 200 primo
weeks 5-8 600 test 400 primo
9-12 800 test 600 primo
13-16 1 gram test 600 primo
17-20 1.2 gram test 800 primo
My blood pressure was 139/79 which wasn't great, no other issues Adex .5 M/F to keep estro in range otherwise it was HIGH
Current cruise 250 test 200 primo 10mg var
When you tampered up like that where you adding calories at the sametime. What was the scale saying, mirror , @anvil
anvilYes I did, first food then more gear, I stayed lean, went up like 10-11 lbs, bf undr 15% for sure. Some weeks, of course I missed a few meals due to work or kids sports, but would add it back in the rest of the week.
Much appreciated my man @anvil
Man to man talk here...I'll be honest those dosages I can not mess with but that's just my weak ass body but glad this works for you an others seriously. Now about the typical 12 week cycle....it may not be common now but at one point it was common and guys back in the day grew from this and that is something that I personally looked into, not any heresy lol. I chopped it up with some of those old school guys from the 70s. Fact is they made it work for them but that's the past. Now things are different so I get it. And I take your word about those down regulation studies. But it's just strange because with some drugs in general the body tends to require a higher amount of that drug over time. So there's something to be said about that for sure. The body is smart and will always adapt. I appreciate your list.
@23Sparta I think you and I talked about above comment too. Lol it's crazy man. And congrats on winning in promo.
Hell yeah bro, thank you. Nice lil blessing for me from Ross n GK for sure
Yeah, that stack Stokes is running is advanced. He’s a veteran though so when I hear it from him, I’m like hell yeah, get that shit big dog. I’m confident he knows what he’s doing. These clowns that don’t even look like they lift, well… you already know how we all feel about that. I’ve never ran whinny or clen so idk about that part. The gram of test and 600mg mast is right around where I’m at with those compounds. 700mg tren ace, I’m not too sure how I would handle that lol. 200mg of enanthate, and I beat up a dude at work (he deserved it), ripped a fence out of the ground, and tried yanking a dude out of a scissor lift by his harness (maybe didn’t deserve it), I also tore up a bonus check, and walked across a crowded lunch tent with hundreds of people in it, over to a table to confront a dude about what he thought was so funny
Like I told @Gorillakingz this is a good thing and I wish more srcs were more like minded about this type of thing which definitely deserves respect in my opinion.
I agree some guys do know what they're doing and I'm sure Stokes is fine. What I was talking about was those " clowns" that you mentioned lol. I mean at least get something out of those bigger dosages...something! If not it's a waste of time. Maybe I'm trippin but that only makes sense to me ya digg? No hate just trying to understand that's all. Strange! Now the higher dosage thing ain't for me but I have no problem with responsible guys doing that if they aren't being reckless, monitoring health and at least seeing some gains. I'm telling you I've seen some crazy shit man. Lol makes me scratch my head real good.
Unless your competiting and have a legitimate shot at turning pro there isn’t a need for monster cycles.
I don’t compete at all it’s just not for me but I do coach people who do , i believe in my business it pays me to be this size or honestly I wouldn’t do it. If I wasn’t making money from it I wouldn’t fuck with large cycles just TRT. I’m getting older now and won’t play about with my health much longer I’m coming off completely in just over a week and trying to run PCT.
I am just being transparent with my usage and not recommending it to anyone. For the record I do know a couple of hyper responsive guys who are massive and run half these dosages but true hyper responsive people are few and far between in my opinion. Just everyone be safe and monitor your health get bloods run every 3 months, monitor your blood pressure and donate blood
Make that money
+1 for attempting to get off and PCT.
Man wonder how that will turn out. Guess we'll see. An about the high dose debate..that can go back and forth lol. At the end of the day it's health over gains as you already know
I 100% agree with you on that in regards to pro monster cycles, but some guys disagree. I'm with you though. Yeah I'll never understand. I think you're saying it's not worth risking health if not professional
Fuck yeah DeeMan, come on in, the water is fine.
Yeah, these dudes don’t understand that you have to go from A to B then B to C and so on like that. You’re only gonna gain so much each time and in the beginning it’s easy because you’re close to your natty limit. It’s just like gravity. The earth is your natty limit. It doesn’t take much energy (gear) to go a few feet off the ground. It’s only when you go higher and higher, does the pull become stronger, and require more fuel
Yeaa buddyyy! Aint nuthin but a peenut!
Not only are you a Spartan you a Astronaut too haha. My manz! I can dig that for sure. But ya know at the end of the day to each their own. You know me, I tend to look at things a little differently because of a few things I saw that's all. You know about it.
Spartonaut
Lmao fucking savage
Yeah, I guess it turned out that dude wasn’t laughing at me
HAHA of course not, they never are
Damn I didn't know Tren had you acting like that! Lol. That says alot! I'm sure you're normally chill too
I’ve ran it three times. 200mg enanthate, psychopath. 350mg ace, cool like cucumber. 229.5mg Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate, felt not much of anything
Haha I've never ran it...because of that stunt you pulled lol. I'd probably end up in jail and I'm chill like you seem to be.
Idk man, some people say it’s different every time. I believe in the compound though and plan to use it again, especially after Steve’s latest deep dive. Tren does some pretty amazing things. I’m going with the information he presented and agree that a sweet spot for growth would be 25-75mg per week and I’ll use ace
anvilI am going to give it another shot at that range also. Just the ace, the last run was enanthate and even at 50mg per week I didn't sleep.
Yeah, I know it’s a running debate in our sport whether or not there’s any meaningful difference between esters besides hormone content and half-life.
From limited personal experience with tren, there definitely is. Why I’ll go the ace route along with you as well