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+ 5 Lab tests for Balkan Test E 250 and Sp Equipoise 200.

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My cycle got delayed due to being real sick in December. I’m running Balkan Test E at 350 a week along with Sp Eq at 600 a week. Also increased My anazolone to .5 eod from 1mg a week dose. Going on 10 weeks and labs were taken prior to my next shot. The CMP test was about two weeks earlier cause I wanted to see blood levels after eight weeks of eq. Blood was donated on 3/1.
With estrogen in check I’ve decided to go back to 1 mg a week until next bloods drawn. All in all I feel good with the potency of the Balkan test E. Jury still out on sp eq but I did have a higher BF level so it may not have been the best choice at this point. Diet is 1800 cal, 250 protein, Fat 70, carbs 45. Keep moving forward. Also taking 50 mg Balkan provi ed.

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hudsonriver's picture

balkan is trash!!! your test should be around 2000..

jp82088's picture

I got in contact with Chemtox and I am sending a amp of the Balkan 200mg Test cypionate for lab analysis. I need to know myself if it's really how people are claiming. I am keeping my fingers crossed it's not true. I will document all for the community.

Bzreal817's picture

Definitely keep us posted. And thanks for jumping in bro.

Gorilla200521's picture

i agree, i tested close to 1400 on 200mg of UG. i been running balkan test cyp thinking it be good but def feel somthing is off. going to get bloods down next week, prob wasted my time and money once again.

Bzreal817's picture

You do realize this was taken in trough. I’m sure if I did 24 hrs after injection I would see much higher numbers. I like the Balkan gear and thinks it’s just fine. I’ve been prescribed Westwood Cyp for trt and my numbers were 980 in trough on 200 every 7 day. So it’s how I react and everybody is different bro. I do testing as a way to show how the stuff is affecting me. Please don’t use my test as a way to justify your stance on Balkan gear. Next question Are you going to say Westwood pharma cyp is under dosed? True pharma from Portugal.

Bzreal817's picture

FYI I am over 47 and have a history of low T. I’m not in my 20’s bro. But it’s cool all input is good.

Gorilla200521's picture

thats a weak test number imo. i tested 1400 on 200mg before. im running balkan test cyp now at 600mg and i feel its under dosed. will post bloods soon , be on the look out.

DfromPhilly's picture

Will do thanks man. And agreed I regularly pull high 1400’s on 200mg/week. We’re all different tho so hoping this is just the way the user reacts. It does make me nervous to use Balkan test tho.

jp82088's picture

Yes please do.

mujeriego's picture

Test isn’t low considering he pulled bloods before pin rather than normal protocol. So there’s numvers represent the trough if he tested after pinning numbers would be higher

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Makwa's picture

Results a little low but taken in trough so all things considered I believe the test e is fine.
As far as your cals go, I would caution you staying that low or you will hit metabolic fatigue in short order and your fat loss will come to screeching halt and you will have no options available to peel off more fat without losing significant muscle mass and permanently ruining your metabolism.

Bzreal817's picture

Ok, my TDEE 2926.
So in order to lose fat I should be taking in 2341 cals. That represents a 20% drop from TDEE. I see what your saying and thank you. I’m correcting my cals and macros accordingly. Do you have a suggestion on macro breakdowns? Currently adjusted to:
2341 cals
322 protein- 55%
91 fats. - 35%
58 carbs. -10%
Goal is cutting

Makwa's picture

I would probably start out with a 40/40/20 P/C/F split and then as plateaus are hit cut carbs and put those cals into protein and fat instead. You want to start your cut with higher amount of carbs and lower them as you reach plateaus by shifting those cals into protein and fat instead. The ratio you have their is more in line with what I would expect by the end of your cut not starting it out. You don't go all in when starting a cut because then you have no tools left when you reach a fat loss plateau.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/structu...

Bzreal817's picture

Excellent information and I’ve implemented the above into my diet. I’m basically going to adjust as I go. Great learning experience. And thank you.

robb's picture

Concidering what you get off 200mg trt, the added 150 doesn't seem that bad now. But for me personally I'd of wanted to see higher numbers.

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Bzreal817's picture

Before I started trt a couple of years ago these were my numbers. Total Test 261, free 43.1, bioavailable 87.4. Estradiol 44. You guys bring up a good point and got me wondering if potency or my bodies reaction is the problem. Any thoughts going forward?

robb's picture

If you're pleased with results carry on. Your free test is sky high, almost 3 times the highest norn range. Good ol' provi lol. You must feel pretty good within yourself, its hard not to on it.

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Bzreal817's picture

Right now I am. It’s all part of the transformation. These guys on here are solid. I appreciate all the feedback and knowledge from everyone. I really like Balkan products and the quality. And Ashop always delivers.

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Bzreal817's picture

I might be one of those that need to run at high dose but it’s not my goal for now. Letting the equipoise ride. Also I want to add this test took place prior to my Monday shot.

DfromPhilly's picture

Your link is broken on the SI. No one has replied yet so you can still edit it.

I’d say with that hematocrit the EQ is just fine. Luckily mine is not raised by EQ so I can’t judge on that, but there’s a AI metabolite of EQ that I’m sensitive to and I kbow if it’s good pretty quickly because of that. They also recently just tested at 197/ml on anaboliclab.

Do you normally pull around 1300’s on 350mg/week of test e? I only ask because that would be a bad number for me but I pull pretty high. We’re all different so that could be a good number for you. How often you pinning?

Thanks for testing man. +2. I got some Balkan test e on the way and literally just started running SP EQ so these were a help.

Bzreal817's picture

Downtime I’m on trt Westwood Cyp prescribed by doctor at 200mg every 7-10 days. I stick with seven. My bloods then were 980 before next shot. My esto then was 41. When I started trt my test levels were real low. So I’m thinking this is good for me.

Bzreal817's picture

I pin Mondays 200 and Thursday150.

DfromPhilly's picture

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. You figure if 350 is 175% of 200, then your levels on 350 should be about 175% higher than they are on 200. That would put you at 1715. Considering the fact that things never work out in real life as they do on paper, your 1300's number makes sense, although I'd hope for a little higher seeing that hardly anything is being converted to estrogen. You may have a high DHT conversion though that we're not seeing here. There's a lot of factors at play. So not bad, considering. Free test is real nice.

The important thing is that you feel good and are making gains. I'd try to keep your dose even though. So 175 mon & thurs. Less fluctuation. It may not matter in the long run but I have OCD lol.

I take it you're cuttin? That's a super low calorie intake. Good luck man.

MegaT883's picture

When you increase dose it's never linear. There is always diminishing return. What I mean by this is from medical studies with pharma grade T if 300 mg produces 1345ng/dL +or-139 you would think that 600mg will get you 2690ng/dL but it doesn't it's less at 2370ng/dL + or - 150. So I would say his numbers are pretty accurate for total T. I'm not so sure those free T numbers are accurate it's a calculation. If 600 mg of testosterone a week puts free test at 275 pg/mL + or - 30 how is 350 (which is 250mg less) going to put you at 445 pg/mL no way. Excess T is going to bind to SHBG and Albumin.There is some type of interference or miscalculation as the number is a calculation. % of free test to total serum testosterone. This test was developed for people with very low T levels hypo conditions not hyper and reads 1 ng/dL to 2000. Notice the warning that it has not been cleared or approved by the FDA. Why. So free correlates to total and these free numbers are way off in comparison to total T.
I would include SHBG next time I got tested to get a better handle on whats happening or test at Labcorp in ECLIA since your not using any compounds that interfere with their testing method. +1 for testing

https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.e1172#T2

https://testdirectory.questdiagnostics.com/test/test-detail/36170/testos...

look at question 13 https://education.questdiagnostics.com/faq/FAQ165#Question%2013

DfromPhilly's picture

Question 13 is interesting. I would think since he’s using Provo tho that his free number may be accurate. But I agree with running the labcorp rest.

And yea that’s what I meant by things never work out in real life like they do on paper lol. I wish it was that easy. And even with those studies there are people that pull WAY higher than the studies (raises hand) and people that pull lower. The most interesting part to me is that I know a dude that pulls a good clip below average, (kinda like the OP) yet physically responds better than anyone else I know. Could be bullshit but just an observation of one dude.

MegaT883's picture

I hear you. I missed seeing he was on proviron. After punching in some numbers you ARE right as his free test even with that high number of 44.58 ng/dL =(445.8 pg/mL) puts him at 3.29 % free T which is very good.His SHBG is at 12.5 nmol/L. I stand corrected. I thought he was just doing Test.

https://www.nebido.com/en/hcp/research/testosterone-tools/free-calculato...

Bzreal817's picture

I am man. Which ain’t easy but I have bf to burn. I appreciate all your comments. I’m no expert so I definitely welcome all comments which can help improve my body while safely using stuff.