+ 13 IGF #'s on 6 iu of GD Roids GH
These are the IGF results after about 1 month of running GD's generic gh @ 6 iu/day, I do 3 2iu IM shots a day. First thing am, 30 minute pre workout and just before bed. I've included my baseline numbers and the numbers from a bit over a month prior when running another vendor @ 4 iu/day for comparison. You can see that there's been a rather large uptick in igf levels. It's gone up a bit over 350% from baseline and almost 150% from the previous vendor.
While i say its 6iu, it might actually be a bit over 7. GD posted up some test results from a vial of gh they shipped out to a lab. The results came back that it actually held bit over 12 iu. Not the 10 iu they claim on the site. There's no way for me to know if my batch is the same as the one they had tested. But i figured it was worth mentioning.
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I’m just standing by Steve and Chase that some individuals don’t score high IGF-1. This bro did get a nice elevation that seems to be in line with the dosage increase. Also, the benefits of running growth aren’t merely restricted to elevated IGF-1 there’s plenty to be had from high GH serum levels as well
Yes I remember this thread. The only difference is he had his previous tests done and saw a huge increase using GD generic. He is also much older then the other guy (10) years. (speaking for natural igf levels not actually like he's old). His baseline 74, then to 268. Other is on HGH and is at 53, even if his baseline was 0, 53 doesn't seem worth it. But there is many variables and he will need to figure that out. All we can do wait for more tests to come in.
Pretty sure the guy you are talking about has a baseline of 53. He specified that a couple times in the thread that the testing was before he started running 4 iu.
I did have a huge jump. But it's still way below what most would expect at these doses. Most people would have expected my 4 iu number to be equal to, if not higher than, my 7 iu score. But there's more to benefitting from gh than just higher igf levels thankfully. I'm definitely enjoying some of those benefits when it comes to recovery and sleep quality. To me those alone are worth the cost of $2/day for the 4 iu i'm currently doing. When i get my trt bloodwork done in the next few weeks i'm going to throw another igf test in there to get a more accurate comparison between the initial 4 iu tst score with Pomps Places gh and the stuff from GD Roids. Though with his vials having 12 iu instead of 10 i'm doing a bit over 4 in reality.
Thanks for the tagg Chad. I remember this situation. We commented on this at bottom. Looks like he's one of those that has IGF issues. Glad he has a baseline score even though low. I was just telling a member yesterday about this situation. Lol Twilight Zone issues! Hopefully he updates us.
Is that your correct age in your profile, 1981?
74 baseline
181 @ 4
268 @ 7
From generic... I can see that. Just a low baseline and poor conversion. I've tried multiple generic brands and have a hard time myself getting igf levels up there. I've never pushed past 400 even at high doses.
There's still many other benefits from hgh other than having a high igf reading.
Plus BOGO... $45 a kit? I'll take that all day.
It's right. I have a couple other generics in the fridge which I'll test when I get to them. I don't really expect things to be much different at this point though.
So does this mean the 95.00 hgh isnt worth the 95.00
This is the generics which is closer to $85 i think. Though they state its the same as their brand new version. With the BOGO it actually worked out to $47/kit or .47/per iu. But that's under the assumption that its only 10 iu per bottle. They have some testing showing it contained over 12. Which would work out to .39/iu.
If i didn't have previous numbers showing i was pretty low for what i was taking i would be far more concerned about the quality of this stuff. I did have a pretty large jump in igf levels with this stuff compared to the last stuff.
Based off this info alone it's hard to say but looks like he just doesn't put out the expected IGF numbers. For his age range he's at the absolute lowest end for IGF baseline. All scores are lower than expected with or without GH.
Okay good Thanks man
No problem. Just hold on to those rocks lol
Thanks for even testing. So when I first saw this I thought your numbers were low but your baseline as well as reference were low too so it's possible that you're binding alot of IGF up. It's similar to testosterone being bind up by shbg hormone. When this hormone is high, free testosterone will be lower than usual.
For 6iu thats barely above natural levels. Sorry :(
Yeahhh but.....he may just be a high IGF binder. It happens unfortunately
Considering my baseline number i'm not completely disappointed with the effects of my current numbers. But it's still not where i'd like it to be.
Nice that you did some testing prior. Helps to put things in perspective. I would have expected something in the 400's with 6iu but everyone converts differently and your prior results off of 4iu put this into perspective. Looks like it is working to me. You may want to get IGF-BP3 levels tested to see if you have an abnormally high level which could be binding up the IGF and depressing your score. Also liver stress can affect conversion of hgh to IGF. Are your AST/ALT levels normal? Ran any orals or heavy DHT compounds lately?
No orals at all. The test was done about 1 week after I stopped taking test/deca/primo and dropped back down to trt dosing. I had a work up done about a month ago. AST range is 10-40 and was 36 and ALT range is 9-46 and was 31. I'll look into getting the BP3 tested when i switch to a different brand of GH and get tested again.
Have you used any nolvadex lately?
Nope. I have some for just in case. But i can't even remember the last time i touched the stuff.
Remember nolvadex and clomid will lower IGF levels a bit. Low E2 plays a role also
I'll keep that in mind for the future. But as i used neither of these in at least 6 months I wouldn't think my e2 levels would have changed much from my last bloodwork to check all my levels about a month prior. When this test got done i had been 1 week off cycle of test/deca/primo and only on my trt dose. Most of that stuff would still have been pretty close to my previous blood concentrations. So e2 should have still been in the low 50's/high 40s.
Nothing really seems alarming there as far as cycle and liver values. Would be curious to know your BP3 levels though.
I'm going to be on a first name basis with my phlebotomist pretty soon.
Is this the test you're talking about? https://www.ultalabtests.com/partners/ultdirect/test/igf-binding-protein...
yeah, that would be the test. You may want to touch base with @23Sparta since I think he was also going to be doing some BP3 testing.
Is there anything that can be done if the bp-3 levels are high?
Not that I know of. Cutting calories has some impact on lowering it but that is only temporary I believe. There is some speculation that taking a multivitamin can cause elevated levels, particularly if it has a high level of biotin (B7). Are you supplementing with any multivitamins?
No multivitamin but several different supplements. Including 10,000 mcg of biotin a day. I've been taking it since before i started gh.
You will need to drop that at least a few days before any BP3 test or it will screw it up. They will probably tell you that though.
Yes sir, results expected any day now
Everyone converts igf to a different degree. I look for about 100igf for each unit of gh so at those doses I would expect to see and igf in the high 500’s low 600’s but you’re learning your body and your response. Always a plus one from the Beard for testing.
I don’t feel that’s a good number for 6-7iu per day. Maybe you’re just a poor responder to GH. I mean I’m sure you’ll get benefits from it. Just seems like a high dose and it didn’t even get you out of the high end range.
It's lower than i'd like. But I started at the absolute bottom of the range for someone my age. It might not be a supraphysiological igf level. But it a huge improvement over what it was. between this test and the last it would seem im a low responder to gh. But until others start posting up results from the same stuff i'm just guessing here.
Unless I missed it, did you tell us the timing and dose before you got tested? Maybe the lower than expected numbers were because of the timing/dose?
I'm new to hgh. I've only been reading about how to perform /read blood tests. The report I read before this , the guy took 10ius 30 mins before blood test. Did you do the same thing? 10iu 30 mins prior to test?
What you're referring to is testing for actual hgh levels in the system not igf levels. Like Ross mentioned some shady vendors started to use growth hormone producing peptides to fudge the test numbers. Testing for igf levels is a more accurate way to see ow effective the gh is and to date it doesnt seem like anyone has found a way to cheat this test.
I didn't mention here my protocol. I do 3 2iu (or there about) shots a day. 1 first thing am @ 530-6am, 1 30 minutes pre workout about 430 pm and the last around 8-830 pm before bed. I stuck to this routine, did my morning shot about 6am and had my blood drawn at about 730 am.
I believe that method is for testing gh serum levels which is “outdated” because sources found ways to add peptides to increase those levels in blood test without using hgh. But when testing igf levels I guess you just use your regular daily amount and don’t do anything different before the test
That's sounds right though about youŕ conclusion, on your test. From 4 ius from one lab, About 7 iu from this lab.
I'm happy to see a blood test. Thankyou for your time and money. I'm on the unlabeled gh from gd. Feels like we all owe you.
I appreciate you, I knew it was working great for me but I wanted to see bloods. To verify you are using the Baboon one not the generic one? I am almost done with my first month and I feel great.
I'm using generics. They stated that the gh was exactly the same between the 2 options. The only difference is the packaging.
Idk about that, his wording was something like “quality is the same” or something like that. So idk if he meant they ARE the same or if he meant they are similar quality. I took it as they are equally as good but not identical but idk
Copy, thank you for confirmation.
@Rosschestzip I can’t comment under your post. Keeps giving me a debug error pop up.
I asked @GDRoids directly about this. He told me that they were the same, it’s just $10 more for the labels and packaging, which some people may want if they donate it locally or something, while people who use it, don’t give a shit about labels.
Between you and GDRoids
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Hey. I was wondering about your hgh. Is there any difference between the unlabeled vs labeled, besides just the label and box? Are they both the same quality, or is the one that’s actually labeled and boxed up slightly better? Getting ready to place an order, so I was just wondering. Also I saw someone mention over $300 you do free shipping. My order will be over $300, is there a possibility of you still doing that?
Thanks for your help with my questions,
J
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Labels and brand sthe same quality .
Yes , free shipping over 300$
Oh my bad, I had seen him comment and sort of address it but didn’t specifically say “they are the same” so that’s good to know. I just assumed he had meant close enough where it didn’t matter but that’s cool to know, the cheaper ones might also be 12-13 ius
My best guess is that they are all the same vials. It just takes more time to have to throw a label on every vial, and the boxes cost a little money. The price he’s selling at is already low, so if he had to also cover the costs of time, labels, and packaging, he’s going to have to charge a few dollars extra for it. I’m assuming the extra $10 is to just cover the labels and packaging for the “gym bros” that may “donate” it to other people.
That's how i took what he said. The non labelled ones def take up more room in the fridge. Instead of a little 5x2 box holding the 10 vials its 2 10 vial long pieces of stryofoam that everything sits in. I got 2 that held 40 vials each. so its maybe 5-6" by 10"+. It's pretty large.
Lol. I need a fridge container too. I kept the box it came. The Styrofoam fits right back in.
I got this for all my small vials. It sits in the fridge lol.
https://amzn.to/3wnradf
I've got something like that for all my oils. I just use one of the lower drawers in my fridge for all the gh.
https://amzn.to/3I7i0Eg
https://amzn.to/3OSmpi1
https://amzn.to/48jcxox
Those are the ones I use. The big one is really nice. The top has a zipper I use for orals, and then below the zipper compartment are loops. I fill them up with my needles, swabs, etc. and makes everything nice and convenient. I need to order more, running out of room in these lol
Definitely was curious and wanting to see someone post bloods in this brand. Thank you.