+ 12 IGF-1 Score after 19 days of 4-5iu Iron Lion Orange Tops
Numbers do not lie and let me tell you this is some potent ass GH. Dosing scheme is below.
Week: 1 - 5iu single dose before bed every day
Week: 2 - 5iu single dose before bed every day
Week: 3 - 4iu single dose before bed every day
5iu Intramuscular 4 hours before test after 19 days straight
For reference AAS cycle:
Test C - 375mg AW
Mast E - 600mg AW
(no AI, no oral, no other AAS)
Metformin - 1000mg daily
Why metformin? Case study on use in bodybuilding: https://www.ospublishers.com/Metformin-and-Exercise-The-Effects-of-Metfo...
Little bit of a non traditional cycle but it needed to fulfill several functions; I wanted to let my estro run high to maximize conversion of the IGF-1 (meaning no AI, mast at this ratio puts my estradiol at around 50 ng/dl), I wanted no orals in play to inflamed liver and reduce IGF-1 conversion and it needed to supply around 1g of androgens to make the GH/Slin worth using.
Yes that's right, on a masteron blast and no interference with IGF1, let's put that myth to bed, make sure to use Quest for all IGF1 testing though.
Also 500mg metformin was given twice daily this entire cycle, there are studies showing metformin actually increasing IGF-1 in healthy individuals but the context here is there is no studies done on exogenous growth hormone and its interaction with metformin. Do not worry about metformin blunting your gains, it has more benefits than possible downsides IMO.
Now this is the first time I have done more than 3iu per day, figured I would try a higher dose. Careful what you wish for kids. By week 2 I was having pretty bad carpal tunnel, waking up with numb hands. This is also the first time any GH pharma/generic has done this, again first time at 5iu as well. By the end of the second week I needed to bring down the dose as I was starting to wake up with less energy and lethargic throughout the day. I think 5iu at once is too much for me honestly, but I prefer a single dose for a bigger peak and faster half life and I had committed to the higher dose so I came down to 4iu and stuck out the lethargy. Stayed lean and mean on it, sleep was great, recovery through the roof, all in all very potent and extremely well priced growth hormone from Iron Lion. 10/10
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LucasBiggsGood stuff.
From the article you posted I gathered that metformin increases sensitivity to igf1. Just wondering if it would make sense to start the metformin a month or so into GH cycle as this is the point I have read that sensitivity to high levels of igf1 decreases?
This cycle is the move. And I thought everyone on the forums were total idiots. This is safer use. Estrogen benefits more than just IGF-1. This is right on.
Where's Low lately?
I bet he's in the gym pulling Sumo deadlifts with his broccoli haircut pals LMFAO
LOLOL that had me dying
Works been burying me mate, I will be posting a testosterone test in the next couple weeks though to keep doing my eroids duty aka get store credits LOL
Hell yea brother. Thanks for testing. I’m pulling the trigger as we speak on a stock of grey tops. I had my igf tested a month ago and my levels were 222 on 3iu of another src. But my estrodial was high. I’ve noticed you’ve done quite a bit of research on testing. It was my understanding that AI lowered results; so I stayed away from them up until testing, but I’ve also been seeing people saying high estrodial will lower igf results?
It's the exact opposite, higher estrogens will increase IGF1. This is well established in medical research and i find the higher IGF1 #s are always pulled on a wet stack.
https://eje.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/eje/166/2/207.xml
The mechanism is complex, here is data from females.
Oh wow, that isn’t good in my case then.
Serum IGF1 is very variable, depending on the lab you use to test and lots of other factors including liver enzymes and estradiol. The baseline really matters, but everything controlled 222 on 3iu would not be optimal.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/igf-1-test-of-angtropin-gh-at-2.5iu-for-36-days
Pretty good discussion on it one of my other tests
edit to make sure everyone knows that the gh I’m talking about in this test was from a different src, not ironlion. I have now switched to iron lion and will be getting tested again soon after being on the product a while
Thanks I’ll read that when I get home. I’m aware that there are a ton of variables with it. But I was on test only, on 250mg/week, nothing else. I heard in correctly that AI lowers your score results so I wasn’t taking ai for a few weeks prior to testing and my estrodial was a 72. So at 3iu daily and my igf being a 222. And gh a 2.28 I would have expected a higher igf1 result. When I heard that high e2 lowers your score; I was relieved in thinking well that’s why it’s lower than I thought it would be. But now seeing that higher estrogen would raise igf results, I’m worried that I spent a ton of money on gh for the past year that was underdosed possibly. I’ve already switched sources, so it isn’t a huge deal, just trying to figure it out for myself.
Yeah other source sounds a little under from what you are telling me. It's good you have an idea where you are at though at 3iu though. Retest on iron Lion and get that store credit, $100. The test is only ~75$ check my forums for link.
Ok I’ll check that out but I’ve been going to an endo for my last one. May continue doing that way. But yeah that’s the plan I’m gonna run theirs then re test and get the credit. Been loving the scores you guys have been putting up. Been very helpful so i and everyone appreciate it bro. Happy holidays to you and yours.
That's s good number +1. I'm due for a igf test myself
Daddypig502If ironlion lab Wasnt legit eroids would have got rid of them along time ago they are like OG of gh sources they’ve been around selling HGH for a long time
thats not how eroids works, they label scammers, they do not get rid of them
many top sources have ended up on the scam list, it is ignorant to assume just because a source has been around it is legit
smart sources know this thats why they encourage testing
I like the methodical approach here brother to reassessing your IGF-1 response after your last set of labs. No AI. No orals. Only thing I wish you could have done was keep running the first brand/batch of GH a little longer and remove the variables like the current run but also understand why you didn’t.
Got some meat on those quads! Looking forward to watching your progress +1
Thanks brother yeah unfortunately the angs had to kinda be the learning experience for me, I was not educated enough, that cycle was all over the place too. I learned from that experience and when I had a chance to test these I wanted to go about it right, the mast was the only wild card here. I never got the Qs tested for this reason as I told you in DMS I stupidly tried some sdrol during that cycle and I knew my liver was not optimal as well as I did not know where my estrogen was at.
Looking back though those angs had me at 250ish on 2.5iu and this was 4000 on around 4iu, they are vindicated. I was going to edit my review but that source bounced.
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thanks guys!
welcome,
I have never once seen bad bloods from this lab.
I'm definitely a believer now
great results! thanks for share
been awhile for a pic. Good deal. Y'all boyz gonna make me get on that GH.
It's been like less than 3 months since I posted a full body transformation shot buddy, what frequency are you looking for here?
You just sent me a pm. Clearly your response was impulsive and If you can't decipher what I'm saying then you just have zero compression...zero. You're a damn bigot and that's the bottom line and you talk to folks as if you are so much smarter...pathetic. Don't say anything to me and I won't say anything else to you ok? You're impulsive and we don't need that here. Enjoy your day and thanks for unfriend. You did me a favor. @HanginLow
I'll work on my compression Dwayne, I got no time for this and your 3 paragraphs in my inbox bye
Calm DOWN! It's NOT that serious. Been a few months, seemed longer for whatever reason. Obviously it wasn't
Rustyhooker404igf...boom
Right about in line with your testing at 4iu a couple years ago, looks like iron Lion has maintained their high quality. My go-to generics now.
RustyhookerIn the world of hgh.....thats great news. Too many brands seems to get a name then cash grab.
I wonder if on your im the peak was sooner. I saw pubmed saying im hit 2hr peak while subq was between 3-4. I wish testing was cheaper to do those type of hourly tests
Yeah I think the data says a 2hr faster / peak so felt it was more appropriate for the timing, our scores were pretty much identical though. I wanted to get it after 4 weeks but could not make it the lethargy was too much man.
RustyhookerRight?! Good hgh...zzzz. i went to 3iu now week 5 of test eq dhb. Im aiming to try a split of 4iu in ciuple weeks. 4iu morning at one bang got my hands tingly and sleepy af.
jealous of them quads...jeezes.
Yeah my hands were numb and tight the entire 2 weeks, definitely not going over 3iu next time or Gunna try split dose but am or pre GH makes me sleepy, I'm super prone to it not sure why which is why I prefer the bolus PM dose.
RustyhookerMakes sense! I thought it was just me at 4iu with sleepy as other brands guys headed towards 10iu.
Idk man makes me think their shit is bunk I can't imagine a bottle a day of this not only on your wallet but organ health, GH is not a free ride. Heart takes a hit especially with AAS involved. Anyway guess I'm part of the iron Lion hype squad now.
RustyhookerTesting keeps em honest!
JuicedAggressionYour natural growth is at its peak when you first fall asleep. You should take advantage of that and do your shot A.M. or pre workout. This is just what I e been told when I was dosing mine the same way as you. I am no prefossional with hgh by any means tho. I just started running orange tops as my first hgh ever. Love em! I inject 2iu in A.M. and 2iu pre workout.
Yea when it comes to GH I've heard what you stated about AM peak but I also sort of remembered what he stated to you about natural production being shut off after administration of exogenous GH. That was long ago and I didn't know how true that was but figured that was a possibility
Not really sure where this came from because simple logic would dictate if your body releases GH at night then our body is most optimal to process exogenous GH at night. That's why I said it's a massive misunderstanding.
As I said to him, y'all boyz don't make me get on that GH!!! Lol
Got a kit on the way for the first time right now! Have some injuries that don’t kill me day to day, but I’m out of options trying to treat em’ besides going under the blade. Might as well give GH a shot before I do that. Christmas bonus right around the corner looking extra sexy if it’s effective for me
I’m waiting for the exact same thing in December. Hopefully there’s another promo around that time where I can purchase about a dozen kits or so.
that crazy sales will begin in December every year. and at the beginning of the new year (about April ). thanks
That Christmas bonus I hear ya. So yea in your situation I would use. I've been fortunate as far as injuries but as I get older I think GH needs to come closer if ya understand what I'm saying lol. The thing is, it's not like it was back in the day as we are now flooded with an abundance of generics that have pharmaceutical quality. It's crazy. I have a few srcs in mind, including this one. @ironlion
thanks very much
This is actually a massive misunderstanding of GH and classic bro science. Your natural production is shut off for up to 24hrs or even longer when administering exogenous GH. So your AM dose is not preserving your natural pulse at night buddy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC423324/
thanks for your comment bro this GH is definitely fire
And this should be stickied.
yeah not sure where this bro science came from, because simple logic defeats it.
body produces most GH at night... so we inject away from that... instead of maybe considering there is a biological reason your body might do this...
JuicedAggressionInteresting.....I'll look more into this.
Always happy to educate brother cheers