+ 16 HPLC Testing results for MGT Neofin Pro GH
Alright so I sent Analyzer a unlabeled vial of MGT's Pro version to get tested. I found Analyzer on the other forum, read through his entire thread after being tore into by all the members, and he seemed to hold up to his end of the bargain, and was deemed legit for his testing capabilities. I figured it was worth a try and gave it a go. Apparently he's got access to all the actual equipment, and standards for testing. He tested the product, not knowing who it is manufactured by as I was instructed to remove any labeling for shipping. I paid him, and he sent me the results.
One thing I noticed which seems to be a flaw is the fact that the test said it was 10iu, when in fact there is 11iu of product in the vial. That was obviously a result of removing the label and him probably assuming it was generic, 10iu vials. (The MGT label says 11iu.)
Anyhow he sent me the results, and I asked him to translate it for me, and he said it was simple.. the percentages are the percentages of impurites, and the total mg of protien (hGH) in the vial. I believe each vial is supposed to contain 3.33mg if I'm not mistaken? Anyhow, let's see what MGT says as I'm sure he's also familair with this language, and anyone else who is! Feel free to chime in and ask any questions.
He used European Pharmacopoeia Method for related protein standard.
Edit: When I asked him to translate, this was his response: "What particular do you mean? Total protein content says how many mg of all proteins (hGH + hGH dimer + protein impurities) is inside the vial. Chromatographic purity and limit of high molecular weight protein is percentage of these impurities."
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You are not getting a very good picture with this testing method. We use SDS-PAGE to test HGH proteins it is far superior and gives you a much better test for determine purity and protein size among other things.
Sweet! Can't wait to see your results! Thanks man!
Dear friends
From behalf of MGT team I am sorry for the ambiguous lab results.
We don't use UV protein determination methods for the final dosage protein measurements. We are using in HPLC peaks comparison against CRC standart with determined concentration.
The reson why we dont use UV methods due to presence of stabilazing excepients which are cause disturbance in extinction coefficient and miss results. Its not pure somatropin and simple buffer, our formulations containts proprietary stabilizing agents.
We are understand that such situation isnt appropriate for our consumers, and we will solve the hurdle in future lots.
So, what I have been able to gather from all this is that MGT has a very pure product and there is 10iu/vial and not the 11iu that he states.
I seem to be retaining very little water from this product and at 5.5iu/d (actually 5iu/d as it appears to be now) I have no numbess in hands or any of those symptoms. Usually once I start approaching 4-5 iu's my hands are numb all time. Maybe cause this is a very pure product the water and numbness are minimized.
^^^ yes...a.very good “pure quality” product at apprx 10iUs according to the test
Other proteins/impurities are well below what is allowed by Pharmacopoeia Europaea, Ph. Eur. standards
I get very little/no sides with the pharma brand I use (which is why I stick with it)
At 5Ius I start getting slight tightness in hands or feet.....that’s bout it compared to all the aches n pains I got with some generics
There used to be a couple of guys on here that would "test" your gear for a fee. Magnus and Breaker or something like that. They are no more of course, but it seems like there would be someone here who offers that service. There is definitely a market for it. It would be nice if there was somewhere like privatemdlabs, that offered these types of tests to laymen.
Some were busted, including the professor doing the testing at the University
Testing like that will NEVER happen again as it became a total shit show, not to mention the testing was a simple “qualitative” testing using GC/MS and their “quantitative” results (amount mg/iu, etc) were totally inaccurate
There is a fine line between Harm Reduction and Promoting an underground illegal operation (frowned upon by DEA)
Which is why I don’t do much testing anymore
It’s unfortunate
https://www.steroid.com/blog/Auburn-University-Chemistry-Professor-Avoid...
In all honesty I think this guy has had your pants down...
You paid him and he gets a free vial of hgh?
Surely the instrument used to test would know how much copound/weight was being tested 11iu and not ten.
This would definitely change the outcome of the test as the extra 1iu not accounted for would automatically give a stronger test result.
It's like testing for test e 250mg/1ml when in fact it's actually 300mg/1ml
3.33mgs / 10ius
3.12mgs / 9.36ius
3.66mgs / 11ius
.54mg difference (approx) Vs 50mg Test E 250mg - 300mg
But still a difference...so I can see your point
Selling 10iu vials labled at 11ius
There’s another recent test of another popular blue top labeled 24ius that tested :
6.47mgs - 19.4ius
Most just do blood work so the exact content isn’t ever really known as long as blood work shows elevated
.54 does sound like a lot when compared that way. It is very nice to see such a pure product out here for a good price!
Yea it is. I'd still like to see others blood results.
Jesus that's alot...
People are paying for 24iu and that's what they should be getting.
If this was a vial of test it would be a fail for sure
As far as getting caught with my pants down? Well, I certainly hope not... Guess it's all a part of the gamble. I highly doubt it. He's got something good going for him and a great reputation he's built thus far, can't imagine him issuing fake results and flushing it all down the toilet.
Fair enough mate......didn't mean to come across as a dick and no offence was intended mate. Just don't like seeing people get ripped off.
As for the results mate my knowledge is limited on hgh and testing but my thinking was if the instruments he used were able to measure purity ect.. then surely they would have to measure the weight to analyse the compound properly??
As stated below by D.....
3.33 mg would actually be 10iu. 11iu would be 3.63mg. conversion math is (ius) x 0.33 = mgs. And the revers is (mgs) divided by 0.33 = ius.
Kibby mate you forget not everyone gets the British sense of humour. No doubt you meant no offends.
Yeh I thought that after I opened my big mouth so I apologized just in case ;)
Not at all man! No worries!
Thanks mate......fr sent ;)
Interesting...
Does that make sense mate or am I way off?
+1 for testing mate
I've been thinking the same mate
It's just the way I'm seeing it mate but like I said I could be way off.
The way I'm explaining it to myself makes sense.....
I agree with you about the 1iu part missing definitely! I mentioned that in the post actually. My theory is, I sent him the vial with no label on it. The label states it is in fact 11iu, not 10. So I figured, HE must have figured it was a standard 10iu vial and GH, therefor he reconstituted the vial with only 10iu of water, rather than 11.
Now, if he reconstituted the vial with only 10iu, not 11, that would mean that there is actually slighlty less of the impurities observed in the test, but also! Slightly less mg/vial as well because essentially, he tested it 1iu more concentrated then it was tended to be... Does anyone follow me? Although the figures would be small, whatever the average per iu is here, it would be safe to say to subtract from these figures no? In both a positive and negative sense no? Less impurities but also less mg. I don't know I thought about this earlier and sat on it for a min.
3.33 mg would actually be 10iu. 11iu would be 3.63mg. conversion math is (ius) x 0.33 = mgs. And the revers is (mgs) divided by 0.33 = ius.
So 3.12mg = 9.45iu. Not too shabby for a generic.
Assuming the purity percentage means 98.9% pure and not 1.2%?
Awesome and thank you for testing! ++
So would you advise reconstituting the pro as say a 10iu vial or just stick w/the 11?
I mean personal preference really. They’re so close that if you reconstitute as 11 you can get pretty much the same effects and stretch it a bit. It seems to be working well like that for the guy that posted igf
Fair point. The 1.55iu deficit isn't exactly a game changer.
Not at all. I’d keep it like it’s 11. Might as well get an extra day here and there out of it if it’s still doing it’s job
Yea I add 11iu to each vial as well.
I actually did that and for some reason got a different number and ended up closing my calculator app lol!!!
Lol. This is awesome man. How much did it run you? Actually I’ll shoot you an FR if you don’t mind.
x2 I would like to know the price and time frame on testing as well.
It took about two weeks for my tests from analyzer and cost between $150 and $200 depending on how many samples you send in at one time. I hate to quote any prices as he could chang them at any time or on a case by case basis.
Shoot me a message!
I sent you a fr
Of course.
Thanks +1
Thank you brother, you're the man ++
Very cool!
This is all Greek to me but cheers for testing. Very cool!
From what little I know, it would appear it is 3.12mg of HGH instead of the 3.33mg normally advertised/claimed.
Was pretty sure we want 98%+ in regards to purity but this may be written backwards to indicate the percentage of "impurities found" (1.2% which is good) in the vial.
That is my take but also looking forward to someone translating this with unheralded accuracy and confidence.
Man that’s very kool ++s
Check this out:
https://www.eroids.com/pics/godtropin-puretropin
Look at :
Related Proteins (6%)
Related Substances (4%)
I think a newer version shows 6/6%
So it’s below that <% = (quality product) (European Pharmacopoeia)
Contains 9.36 iUs
You should look into a safer “safe” email
Dam great info you have included with your post! Good to know!
I believe Analyzer used Eurpoean Pharmacopoeia 7.0 for this test.
And thanks for the tip bro hahaha. I had protonmail but I forgot my passwords for it haha. I'll recover it now that you say that. Thanks brother.
Ahhh nice.....I knew of a 6.0....didn’t know of the 7.0
Also:
First graph-page is content (qualitative) detected (molecular weight)
Third page-graph(s) - quantitative (iU /mg)(peak/curve)
In case you want to talk to A about iUs (mg) detected
Im not knowledgeable enough about specifics of the testing...but it’s a good place to start a convo with him about standard used and (mg) method of testing if you’re concerned about the amount detected here
There’s always slight room for error....
Did they give you shit at Meso?
lol
Definitely! Thank you for that info, so far you're the only one that's able to shed light on this info here hahaha. Thank you.
As far as Meso, I haven't posted it there yet no lol. I will... I'd like to say they don't deserve it but... Hahaha I guess MGT does... Any source that strives to supply us with good gear deserves it really. Least we can do I guess.
It seems to be a very good product
It’s well within “Pharma” standards as for “purity”
European Pharmacopoeia
1.7%
1.2%
I’ve seen other generics test way higher (more “impurities”)
As far as the 9-10iU.....always room for slight error
But I’ve spoken to A before via email/pm
He seems very knowledgeable and his testing results have seemed to be accurate
All the data is there to scrutinize
Your IGF1 was purdy damn good also
Thanks again for taking the time to test a sample
Nice! Waiting for someone to translate. +
If anyone a lot smarter than me can tell me what this all means would Appreciate!
I pm'd Hailrazor to take a look.
Great cause to me it looks like a treasure map lol
That I don't undertand