Glad I made the call as RIA OR RIA DIRECT will also give a false reading like ECLIA.
EXTRACTION RIA will not and reads correctly as does IA and LC/MSMS
Wow, that's quite a bit of AI that you're running there. You have the Mast, Letro, and Adex for only 100mg/wk of Test? I'm willing to bet your actual E2 number is tanked. Might be worth checking out.
Ya, it used to be everyday, but i got a few advise, so I changed in to every 2 days, might change it to every 3 days, I also heard that mast as AI was a myth... Dont really know...
Really think it is better for gains and overall health running proviron and low dose mast instead of lile
.25 adex e3d ?
Adex is dirt cheap running 50 mg proviron and mast can add up every month obviously low estro levels are not good and can cause shityy sided ie low libido no energy fed up joints
I'm not sure yet, I was reading a lot on it and it seems to be effective but perhaps not as cost effective as adex. I'm gonna give it a shot my next cycle and find out though. Europeans swear by it's effectiveness, so it's worth checking out for me.
It will happen with any lab that uses ECLIA testing method. His Dr ordered this test. Quest will do the testing method the Dr ordered. This test was surely done in ECLIA or CLIA. SO yes it's a false positive because of the testing method. Notice the total estrogens reference range is different between the op total estrogens test and the one listed below due to the different testing methodology both done at the same testing facility.
Through labsmd they test in IA (hormone panel for females) or LC/MSMS ( hormone panel for males) for estro. These 2 links show guys who ordered the correct test. Both the links below are to Quest test gotten by two members on Tren. The 1st was on 400mg Tren E a week with 500mg of testosterone. It's an estradiol test. The 2nd was on 100mg tren A EOD with 50mg Prop EOD it was a total estrogen test such as the op got( which measures E1 Estrone and E2 Estradiol). Both read correctly for estradiol and total estrogens. No false positives. All 3 test were performed at the same testing site. Which leads me to believe op's MD ordered a different testing method. http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/42106/image_24.jpg http://www.eroids.com/pics/hulk-bloods http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/41445/IMG_20131105_172... http://www.eroids.com/pics/test-prop-blood-work?page=1 http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/updated-3-tren-causing-...
here's the funny part, that test normally takes 1-2 weeks, 2nd week has passed, so I gave them a call to check if everything was ok, they told me that they had to retest it. then they gave my doctor a call on the 3rd week, to check if I have any ovarian or breast cancer, my Doctor told them that I was a guy. So they just faxed the result to my physician's office heheh
Well I called LabsMD and Quest looking for answers why your test read incorrectly while the others read correctly. Your Dr ordered this test #439 which is Radioimmunoassay turns out this will give a false reading. He should of ordered test #439X,Extraction • Radioimmunoassay (RIA).That is the total estrogen test that another member got on tren and it read correctly(the link to that blood test posted on this tread). You may want to tone down your AI before you crash your estro if you haven't already. When RIA is used without extraction conjugated steroids such as estrone sulfate, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, and androsterone sulfate can cross-react with the antibody used in an RIA and cause overestimation in the measurement of a steroid hormone. I also think tren has a cross reaction like in ECLIA.
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/BUOrderInfo.action?tc=439&lab...
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/BUOrderInfo.action?tc=439X&la...
https://www.questdiagnostics.com/hcp/intguide/EndoMetab/EndoManual_AtoZ_...
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/16/9/1713.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1904417/
Anonyour the man
Glad I made the call as RIA OR RIA DIRECT will also give a false reading like ECLIA.
EXTRACTION RIA will not and reads correctly as does IA and LC/MSMS
angusWow, that's quite a bit of AI that you're running there. You have the Mast, Letro, and Adex for only 100mg/wk of Test? I'm willing to bet your actual E2 number is tanked. Might be worth checking out.
JakeSYa, it used to be everyday, but i got a few advise, so I changed in to every 2 days, might change it to every 3 days, I also heard that mast as AI was a myth... Dont really know...
angusThe Europeans are pioneering the use of mast and provi instead of an AI. I got that from Viking's posts. And it makes sense. He's never used an AI.
Really think it is better for gains and overall health running proviron and low dose mast instead of lile
.25 adex e3d ?
Adex is dirt cheap running 50 mg proviron and mast can add up every month obviously low estro levels are not good and can cause shityy sided ie low libido no energy fed up joints
angusI'm not sure yet, I was reading a lot on it and it seems to be effective but perhaps not as cost effective as adex. I'm gonna give it a shot my next cycle and find out though. Europeans swear by it's effectiveness, so it's worth checking out for me.
Anonyou're gonna make a lucky guy very happy one day, Jake >;)
JakeSLOL!
Loll!! Love it. Those are some good tren levels you got der +1
And I see it's not just labcorp that this happens with.
It will happen with any lab that uses ECLIA testing method. His Dr ordered this test. Quest will do the testing method the Dr ordered. This test was surely done in ECLIA or CLIA. SO yes it's a false positive because of the testing method. Notice the total estrogens reference range is different between the op total estrogens test and the one listed below due to the different testing methodology both done at the same testing facility.
Through labsmd they test in IA (hormone panel for females) or LC/MSMS ( hormone panel for males) for estro. These 2 links show guys who ordered the correct test. Both the links below are to Quest test gotten by two members on Tren. The 1st was on 400mg Tren E a week with 500mg of testosterone. It's an estradiol test. The 2nd was on 100mg tren A EOD with 50mg Prop EOD it was a total estrogen test such as the op got( which measures E1 Estrone and E2 Estradiol). Both read correctly for estradiol and total estrogens. No false positives. All 3 test were performed at the same testing site. Which leads me to believe op's MD ordered a different testing method.
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/42106/image_24.jpg
http://www.eroids.com/pics/hulk-bloods
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/41445/IMG_20131105_172...
http://www.eroids.com/pics/test-prop-blood-work?page=1
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/updated-3-tren-causing-...
Wow MegaT883 excellent work!!! I just went back and read through your updates and found it extremely informative.
I really appreciate the time you have dedicated to this.
angusHe's pretty incredible isn't he? The guy has pumped some time into it and is now spitting knowledge left and right. Love it.
JakeShere's the funny part, that test normally takes 1-2 weeks, 2nd week has passed, so I gave them a call to check if everything was ok, they told me that they had to retest it. then they gave my doctor a call on the 3rd week, to check if I have any ovarian or breast cancer, my Doctor told them that I was a guy. So they just faxed the result to my physician's office heheh
lol now that is funny.
Wait a minute... why does this happen? Is it because the lab mistakes Tren as estrogen or something? Is this always the case or what?
Yes been happening for about a year from what I know
JakeSYa, tren causes false positive in estrogen, they detect the tren as estrogen
It does this only when estrogen is tested with the ECLIA or CLIA methodology.
Sirk1981+1 it happens. Lol.
JakeSThnx! Gotta luv those tren ;)