posted Sun, 02/23/2014 - 18:06
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Used dbol for the beginning of this cycle and stopped using milk thistle after I stopped the dbol but now my liver enzymes came up high. I started the milk thistle 400mg/day and liv 52 2 tabs twice a day which is what it says on the bottle. I'm using 500mg test e/wk and 400mg tren e/wk. Also my HDL dropped like crazy but my LDL stayed the same. I havent felt any symptoms of high estrogen maybe because the high test was masking the symptoms so I've started using my aro 12.5mg every 3 days. Hopefully the liv and milk thistle will bring my enzymes back into normal range.
Any input would be awesome especially regarding liv 52 and milk thistle and if it has helped you guys.
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Who did you get the test through? Did everyone notice estradiol was measured correctly and didn't give a false high like you get with privatemdlabs while on Tren.
I'm pretty sure it was through quest.
No what i meant is did a Dr order it are did you use an online company like labsmd?
Ohhhhh yea my doctor ordered it.
other than the estro and liver panel your numbers look good. that total cholesterol although not the whole picture is a very good number. my hdl has been as low as 17 too. +1 for bloods
How much dbol were you running?
Yup, 50mg/day for 4 weeks.
His cycle log shows 50 mg a day for 4 wks
roughneck12+1 for posting blood. Estrogen is definitely high as everyone sees. I need 12.5 Aro ed when on a T.P and N.P.P. cycle. Never needed it for tren but at 6.5 eod just to make sure it's in check. But I ran high tren low test.
BillLumberghUp your dosage of liver protection. 2gs milk thistle for a couple weeks then lower it. When I was having issues(ideopathic-not sure what caused then but AST over 150) I'd run liv 52 at least 6 tabs a day. Shit worked according to my last test.
I read on some other posts that milk thistle in high doses can raise your estro. 2g seems kind of high. I also got liv 52 DS not sure if that makes a difference with the amount of tabs I should take.
Actually my buddy had hepatitis and his hepatologist told him milk thistle is the best liver aid out there besides the fact that it is so poorly absorbed by the body, so taking a shit load is actually better lol.
Take the Liv 52 DS (Double Strength)1 tab 3 times a day. That would be equivalent to 6 tabs of regular Liv 52.
Lol I'm getting so many different options and have read a lot of different things. I'm a little confused as to which to do. Is there anything wrong with just following what's on the bottle? And why haven't I felt any sides associated with estro like irritability, night sweats, temp fluctuations? Is it because of the high test?
Listen man your the one asking for advise. Liv 52 comes in 2 strengths. The regular is 2 tabs 3 x a day the DS which equals 2 regular tabs is 1 tab 3x a day. The bottle dose is not for someone on almost 1 gram of androgens and one being the most toxic in Tren and Dbol. The Liv 52DS will help with your appetite and well being. Also understand that training will elevate AST and ALT. I'm the guy who's liver values are never out of range on are off cycle. This is what I use and the dose I use on cycle. Your the guy with AST and ALT over 100.
With almost 5000 test serum and free test over 1700 it's countering it. That's why your not having any sides.
The dose of LIV 52 DS is what is prescribed for patients taking heptatoxic drugs or chemo it's based on studies.It should also help your lipid levels at that dose.
http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/pdf_files/liv110.pdf
http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/research/liv52.htm
http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/pharmaceuticals/liv52-ds.htm
ok thanks and I didn't intend for that post to sound snappy. I was just asking questions. Im always open to advice especially regarding my own health. As I said before I will happily take your advice. I really appreciate your help.
BillLumberghYeah maybe.. A few ng/DL.. but that ain't shit compared testosterone or DBOL... A hormone that aromatizes...
For starters, you've got dosing of your AI mixed up with how to dose adex. Aromasin has a half life of roughly 12h in males and 27h in women. You should be dosing it daily or eod at the very least. 12.5 e3d along with your test dose is not gonna lower your current e2 levels. In fact, they'll prolly continue to rise.
ah yea I was wondering about that I knew the half life of it was around 8-12 hrs but i figured everyone is different and might respond differently. I was going to try eod but I'm worried about lowering the estrogen too much, and then feeling like crap. Trial and error I guess. Ill try eod like you suggested and if i start feeling symptoms of low estro ill do e2d, etc. Thanks for the input!
EOD is not going to do it with a test level of almost 5000 and estradiol at over 100. What Dossier is telling you is not going to crash your E2.
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2003-031279
Thats a good read. Ill take your guys advice.
I'm actually not suggesting eod.. Your levels on the panel are more than 3x higher than they should be. 12.5 eod may work for maintenance dose. For me, I have to run 12.5 ed on a test dose of 500-600. If you want to get back into healthy, normal range, you'll want to increase the dose and frequency for about 5 days or so. Then drop back to a maintenance dose.
what john said man you must feel great with all that free test. +2
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your test and free test are great. i hope you get some good info. + 1
noob941+1 for bloods
how long have you been running your oils for? Quality numbers! +1 Tren is known to hammer your HDL, it will improve when you get off... not that much you can do for now.
Thanks for the info. Been running the oils for about 9 weeks now.
I would try to get some tudca to lower liver values and lots of water! Up liv52 to 3 times a day
ok yea I have heard of tudca. Ill have to do some research on it, I don't now much about it.
Test is definitely good! +1