+ 1 Freeze Test
Want to get the community’s thoughts on this freezer test. Far right is a recently purchased but old, nearly expired bottle of Nakon DHB. Purchased from PMR in January but delivery was delayed around a month because of stock issues. It has a manufacture date of 2022. Initially bummed it was so old then happy cause of all the recent bs. Now I’m not so stoked again.
Center is a bottle of Beligas DHB with an exp of 6/27. Purchased in December, right before the stock apocalypse. Tossed the box so I don’t have a batch number unfortunately (not that any of these manufacturers respect batches anyhow).
Left is a bottle of test cyp 200 from kits as a control.
I had these in the fridge for a couple hours but none crashed. Then put in the freezer for a hour and the beligas crashed, then left them to freeze overnight.
The test cyp on the left crashed a bit as you can see on top. The center beligas crashed pretty quickly all the way through, although not in pretty shards as I hoped. The old Nakon on the right remained crystal clear, not a hint of crystallization despite being in the freezer overnight.
Anyhow, I gather the beligas is legit while the Nakon is bunk. Thoughts? Only way really to tell is to send them off to jano but for the cost I’ll probably just toss all of it (not the kits cyp).
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I have some of this Bgas DHB with the same experation date. I agree that the Center vial looks like plain ole test cyp thats crashed hard from freezer temps. Won’t know for sure without testing, but I honestly doubted it was DHB when I pinned some from the 1st of 2 vials with this date. I actually stopped running it bf I finished the 1st vial. Once I should have been fully saturated & it wasn’t hitting right, I dropped it from cycle & made necessary adjustments.
Freezer test is bunk....some solvents won't freeze
No doubt but it says ba, bb and mct on the box lol.
But yea if it’s got guaiacol in it then this might be the result.
The only part that should freeze is the hormone crystals/shards that drop to the bottom of the vial. If the whole contents freeze then that indicates its full of shite lol
A guy went on freezer rampage years ago posting all his results. No science really. The guaicol vials never froze and no shards. Kept in suspension.
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Neither of those are DHB. The middle one could be Test C tho. It looks similar to cold crashed Test C. The one and only way DHB will not crash at 100mg in the cold is if it's made with a super solvent like Guaiacol. If you don't smell Guaiacol and it doesn't crash it's not legit DHB no matter how it's brewed. The pure quality DHB I have at 100mg crashes in my sock drawer. I have to reconstitute with heat every single time I pin. I would say a good 80% of labs out there use Test C or Test P as DHB. Buy some from a few random places without telling them your testing it and send it in to be tested and you'll see what I mean.
I thought for sure the Nakon was going to be good because it was supposedly from an old batch yeah nothing. The Belga I suspected was no good at all or 100 mg ordinary test c as has been recently tested. If that were the case, it did crash more than the 200 mg test cyp from kit so that’s a little odd. I did expect it to come up in shards though, if it were legit.
iCONicReal, real, bunk
I often use to do this with things I believed were empty - particularly DBol injectable as that motherfucker crashes given half the opportunity every time. Thing is though its not always 100% accurate I don't think as some compounds are so well suspended and mixed that they may not crash. I would say its 85% accurate though. The more gear you use over the years, you will learn to recognise when something is shit or not. I often realise it first off in the way I am feeling, then second in training as weights will either stall or fall backwards despite me putting the same effort and diet/routine.
I figure with 100mg dhb it would be on the more accurate side but yea the only two ways to be sure would be to either pin it or send it off to jano
The center one also looks to be cut with something. There shouldn't be that much raw in it. You should send that and the one on the left for testing. I'd be willing to bet the center one comes back Test C with possible foreign material and the one on the left comes back Test C slightly underdosed. No offense to Kits, but I'd be interested to see those results.
Ironically I believe your Beligas is real but the Nakon, no way.
DHB crashes in shards like crystal or glass and if it's made with MCT oil it should be crystal clear.
I know if you look under my pics on profile I have a pic of UNCs crashed DHB. The middle vial looks like it may have some crystals in it. I can't tell because of the photo.
Yea that’s what I’m thinking too.
I'd bet a years salary it's Test C. I brewed for about 10 years. I've seen pretty much everything in that field.
I would think Test P would be a better way to go if you want to fool someone. Feel iek the water form Cyp would be a give away. We have now entered anera where we might have to test everything. Add an extra $150 to ever order to plan for Testing.
You are right about that. Testing is honestly going to become a regular thing everyone has to do in order to know for sure.
They've already found that Test C is in the DHB on another members labs.
Aggie froze his bunk dhb 100mg test cyp batch and it stayed perfectly clear like this Nakon.
The fact that the beligas in this case froze means it’s likely something else or just brewed poorly. Idk man. It’s not going to jano so it’s going in the bin. Frustrating times.
Time to move on to publicly vetted small labs.
Yeah bro it looked like Test C that had been stretched with something the way it froze. It's like a steroid slushee lol drink that shit bro!
Lmao
Yea I saw that. Think it was Aggie