posted Wed, 11/18/2015 - 07:56
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Geez, no wonder Im sleeping all the time...test almost at low level on this test I know why my crit is up (long ass cycle) but wondering about LH level? Just indicate that my balls aren't working yet? thanks guys
Have been taking some Proviron I had from Black Label which is why Im guessing estr. is low?
Any feedback appreciated. I WILL get test.
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Does a doctor have you on trt or did you do it yourself?
No myself. Trying to cruise a bit then blast again
RustyhookerI posted a forum on provi and pct. You're all shut down bro. Reboot pct is needed most likely
edit.....you're on trt? But trying to pct while on trt? You do not pct on trt. Whats your prior test levels on test? Stats?
reading your forum on Provi now...
Hey man. No was taking some Proviron and a little arimidex after got on 100 a week. I did not take clomid but did take a few nolva when I stepped down to 100 for nipple pain. Yea this "crash" was not thought out at all...personal life chaos, move etc. HOWEVER I don't feel as bad as coming off booze a while back. Tired, severe joint pain, mental fog.. Want to get back on more test but also want my estradiol in range. Appears my pituitary is working as fsh within norm. But LH low. Is this all tied to non existent estrogen man? If I sound stupid I am. Big mental fog. I actually watched the whole Cheech and Chong Up in Smoke from like 1000 yrs ago and Thot it great for the 10000 time. Normally I do 3 things while watching a movie. ADHD I guess. Sleeping well
RustyhookerDrop the estro control til needed. If its low you'll have the achy joints and brain fog. When your face gets back to normal oilly feel you can blood test again to see if you need adex or are ok. Blood tests will be your guide.
Provi has mild anti estrogen effects as well. Some guys posted bloods with just provi at 25 daily and no need for adex. Everyone is so different that only bloods can tell.
Current test level is low but some guys do well sexually etc down towards 300. The low estro will screw up sex drive as can stress etc. Again, bloods will guide you. 400 might be a better number.
Low estro.....you can stop ai and let estro slowly creep up as it should do. Im not on trt but if mines down I will hit tne or dbol to raise it during cycle. Test prop can raise it faster as well.
Brother, thank you. I will do exactly that. Thanks for taking the time to help me, Rusty. I do appreciate it. Monstar has been helping but like he said, "Where did you get the idea you could cyce "indef"? "I know I did not tell you that!". Thanks Rusty, I'll be back and seems like I need more bloods than every 6 months because I obviously still don't know my reaction to Proviron, etc. I will do that. I will look for normal oily feel and then go get bloods. I also think I will order some Prop and test E and start again. Rusty, how long does it take for my crit and Hgb to trend nearer normal without test? THANKS and thanks for the beast comment. Not feeling like beasty right now....been months since wife and I made love, off from a frantic year of sex upside down and all over the house....:)
^^^^^ this
Randy you did a great job of your 3 yr transformation, but you needed to research more in debth of your pct, it's the most important aspect of using gear. We're hear to help you brother and all is not lost. There are some stringent pct protocols that can possibly get your natural test levels back if you want to out in the effort and research.
Hey man, thank you. I also got real confused about whether I was pcting or just going down to a cruise. The test levels I had earlier, had my test at 2600, and estradiol was very high. So I ordered Proviron and arimidex and got busy.....VERY busy. ...man, I don't really care about my natural test anymore at my age, but I can't get it that high again as I turn into a "villain" with my family. They don't like me much on 2600 level test for months and months. Monstar is probably shaking his head.
He appears to be pretty confused.
lol....yea, I do. Prob not as much as I sound, but this mental fog is dominant right now. lol
RustyhookerHumpnpump is correct in dude transformed and looks beast. Hope he comes back to get him back on point.
Thanks man....reading your article on Proviron. I read some "old timers" use year round on and off cycle. I way underestimated it's power in suppressing
P2i2tjust wondering when you we're taking the provi? After your cycle was finished or during your PCT? Or were you just talking about taking it throughout your cycle?
really I was taking it through and after cycle into PCT
P2i2tthe only reason I ask is because not sure if you are aware that it is a suppressant? There are actually a few good posts on this site about it with people doing blood work to prove it. So it is not good to take during your PCT or off cycle.just a heads up.
Thanks P, I read where some "vets" use Proviron all year round on and off cycle. I am thinking I way underestimated the power of Proviron to suppress...........way. I am reading now the data that rustyhooker wrote about it. Way underestimated it.....thanks so much man
P2i2tAbsolutely bro. That's what this is all about. you have some very experienced guys in here helping you out brother. Eat it up!
Are you taking any research chemicals from a certain peptide company. I know one that has been using letro in other labeled products. Could be why your estro is low. Test level isn't t so bad. What's your LH and FSH levels?
just posted them....no not using any of those chemicals...Im thinking my body is just temporarily a bit messed up with stopping Test E 3 months ago except of 100 mg a week as trt.......you don't think under 400 is bad? Perhaps im not reading it right..
So your on trt? You're LH and FSH are low because your on exogenous testosterone 100 mg ew and it's shutting down natural test production.
P2i2toh...didn't realize he was on trt. but what's up with the pct then? hence my confusion...listen randy...you turned into a beast bro. Great job! now if you'd like to keep what you worked so hard for and also keep your body systems intact please go and do as much research about TRT, PCT, and all the compounds you use and plan on using and absorb as much information as possible. The best info I can give you bro. Seems like you're a little behind on the information level and it's time to catch yourself up. homework time bro. Not trying to put you down in any way shape or form.but like I said its the best advice that can be given to you at the moment.good luck my friend. feel free to pm with any questions or concerns. I'll help if I can. fr sent brother....
Rustyhooker^^^^^^yes
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S LH 0.8 LOW norm; 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL 01
FSH, Serum FSH 2.0 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL 01
rocketballzthese guys seem to have you covered. If you are on doctor prescribed trt then there's no reason to do a pct. if you are on self prescribed trt and want your natural test production back it may or may not be possible. Only bloods when you are totally off everything will tell you where you're at naturally. If you decide to go that course, research and execute a proper pct, wait at least 6-8 weeks after finishing PCT, to get bloods. Based on those bloods you will know if you're a candidate for TRT. Good luck!!
and yet I am having trouble with retaining water......but not eating right, although am treadmilling about 5 times per week. Need to drop a pint of blood and get back on cycle, but perhaps some HGH and HCG will make things a bit smoother? God my test levels are low. I have noticed I don't start any fights with wife anymore...hahahhaha
THE TWO TESTS I COULD NOT GET INTO PIC:
Estadiol- <5.0.......LOW........norm 7.6-42.6 (Why so low? Guess I won't take any arimidex)
PSA-1.4............norm 0.0-4.0 (glad that's good)