I'm not 20%, that is just Navy chart, weight, neck and waist as variables. I put the 20% 'cause Growmore called me out and if I put the results down verbatim, that is what the Navy chart says... has to be a standard to measure honesty as he continually calls me a liar. I am pretty sure I come close to 15%. Take one inch off the waist and BF will go down dramatically by that chart, or add an inch to the neck, so it is a great way to track progress, but it is not very accurate. I am not going to break out the callipers to make anyone happy, I have my own self-confidence. Pumps.. yeah, I get it, only one way to know how they will really come onto me and I am finding out now. First day not killing me yet :-) At 9-11%, I would actually be quite happy. That is pretty much the extent of my goal here, if I can do better, great, but I would be pretty damned happy with any single digit BF. Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, very good seal at that.

Clearly the 15% at 100kg was delusional, like you posted back when I put that. Actual numbers, when I put the tape to the body, was 06 March 27% BF, waste 40.5, gut (across the belly button) 43.25. Weight was 102kg, which jumped to 105kg the week I started working out again. But you already challenged the 15%, so you're just beating a dead horse now. I kept the tren/test low and ran the t3/clen 3 weeks on, 2 weeks off and today's measurements are actually 20% bf (using a tape measure and not just ramble) weight 90.6kg, with a waste of 36.6 and across belly button at 37. That is an actual weight loss of 15kg, going by recorded numbers as I document every weekend.

Now for gains, chest started at 46" and steadily dropped all the way to 43" on 16 May, which is why I believe it took so long to lose waste line... up to that date, I still had 37.5 waste, but since then, chest is growing again, back to current 44.25, which is why I estimate 'fat loss' at 20kg as there is easy 5kg of muscle mass increase, whether you want to call it water weight or what you like.

I follow my progress, I measure my food and this weight loss, as well as dimensional change was the product of hard work, not drugs. The AAS helps me to endure and adds to fat loss, but diet, cardio and pushing hard, as well as getting up every AM at 4.00 without fail.

Growmore, I don't mind you calling me out, you are right, but that is against quick posts and generalizations. Don't think, however, that I am not in control of what I am doing, I am. Diet is spot on and workout is solid. You don't drop 15kg actual weight while expanding chest and arms without hard work.

D-bol is well known for massive weight gains, albeit a lot of water but a good portion can be kept after stopping by maintaining diet and exercise. I posted that pic with the newspaper, BTW and for my goals, I am on track.

I will say, again, however, I don't know where you get 'huge' stack from, I never stated how much of what I was doing. Nowhere did I post amounts, people just hear tren and they think the sky is falling. I actually run a very low eod program. t3/clen numbers run high in my cycles, but they are drugs that I am well used to from past experience and they have acted no differently to me this time.

Kudos on the callout for numbers, but above are the measured and logged results. Cheers and thanks for the feedback, this is the kind of stuff that pushes me to show!

On the callout, I have edited bf stats on profile to reflect actual.

Exactly what I wanted to hear!