posted Mon, 10/14/2024 - 14:03
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Daily subq, swollen from Sustanon
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Been trying out a new test product, Sust 350. I'm enjoying the results but in the past few days my daily subq administrations are swollen, red and painful. The pictures don't really do it justice, the lumps stick out a fair bit.
I don't think there is any cause for alarm at the moment, just curious if this is common with Sustanon, particularly going the subq route or just in general?
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WTF???!!! You are disturbing
Oh yeah especially after a nice burnout
lol, damn.
Injecting sust subq is a bad idea. Injecting anything other than test cyp or enan is questionable.
For the meatheads who say you shouldn't do subq:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9006970/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8664110/
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/7/2349/3098651
https://www.auajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1016/j.juro.2018.09.057
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2050116116300058
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34698352/
Pretty much every single pharmaceutical bottle says “For deep intramuscular injection only”. Granted I’ll go shallow I’m, but I’m on the leaner side and 1/2” gets me into tissue. If anyone injects oil sub-q, similar to what you do with peptides, they’re looking for trouble.
This is what this article: https://www.auajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1016/j.juro.2018.09.057
is actually referencing doing..
https://www.xyosted.com/how-use-xyosted
Both of these studies:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2050116116300058
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34698352/
are also paid for by the company that makes xyosted (antares pharma)
The third study is actually on subq oil injection in cotton seed or sesame oil.
in transgender (woman to man) patients..
This section talks about their reactions:
Preference, tolerability, local reactions, and safety
Surveys administered to patients who had previously received IM T prior to SC demonstrated that after initiating SC therapy, all 22 preferred SC injections; two had a mild preference and 20 a marked preference for SC injections. No patients were neutral or expressed a preference for IM injections.
There were 10 site reactions reported by 9 patients. Four patients reported a small nodule at the site of injection that occurred intermittently or consistently, resolved in 1 to 2 days, and was not bothersome. Two patients reported that a small area of urticaria appeared at the injection site several hours after each injection and persisted for 2 to 3 days. Two patients reported some transient inflammation at the injection site, one of whom later experienced a single episode of cellulitis that resolved without therapy. There were no other local or systemic adverse effects.
Acne emerged in 37 of our 63 patients and was usually mild. In only two patients was the degree of acne sufficient to prompt referral to a dermatologist. No patients opted to decrease their T dose on the basis of the acne. None of our patients, including those who had undergone ovariectomy, experienced vasomotor symptoms while receiving T therapy.
Hematocrit values remained within the normal adult male range in all patients, and chemistry panel values including hepatic function parameters and enzymes remained normal throughout the course of therapy.
you did not read this article:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9006970/
They are advocating subcutaneous auto-inject pelletized testosterone - NOT subq oil injections..
I think you didn't read the whole thing its not only about pellets it's a systematic review of subq injections. Not sure what you're trying to achieve with your fake smart ass posts. The medical field has accepted subq test injections. Yet there are some steroid 'guru's' here on this forum who probably don't even look like they're using steroids are making claims against it. Harm reduction (which is the goal of this forum) would be advocating subq injections as far as trt goes.
I'm not sure how you came to the stupid conclusion that it's about pellets. Reading is hard no?
I quote from the researsch:
In 2006, a pilot study demonstrated the feasibility of the SC route as an effective option for testosterone therapy with testosterone esters (23). In this study, weekly SC injections of 25 to 100 mg of testosterone enanthate were administered to 22 hypogonadal men and, after weekly dose adjustments based on peak and trough levels, successfully restored serum total testosterone concentrations into the normal range (23).
Guidance Regarding Subcutaneous Testosterone Therapy
Technique
All patients should receive training from medical personnel on how to self-inject testosterone. Studies involving SC administration of testosterone cypionate or enanthate have used 1-mL Luer-Lok syringes with a 20- or 25-gauge 5/8-inch needle to inject testosterone into the SC tissue of the abdomen or thigh (28, 47). A Luer-Lok syringe is preferred to prevent the needle from disengaging from the syringe during injection considering the viscosity of the solution. Testosterone should be injected 3 to 5 cm lateral to the umbilicus or in the SC tissue of the thigh. For testosterone undecanoate, limited published data suggest that slower injection (over 2-3 minutes) can be safely administered into the subcutaneous tissue of the abdomen using a 21-gauge 25-mm needle (26). In the authors’ clinical experience, a 23-gauge needle can be used without difficulty both for long- and ultralong-acting testosterone esters.
I’m going to thumbs up you. The biggest factor here is most of us, maybe all of us on this thread, are injecting UGL product. Now I have great confidence in the sources I use, they are very professional about the stuff they’re putting out, but there’s labs that may not be. Even if a lab test comes back as the dosage matching perfectly as to what’s on the label, it doesn’t tell you the concentration of solvent and preservative agent. What if the BA is over by 10%? You’ll certainly never get an infection, but I can guarantee inflammation. Then add something like guaiacol and I think we’re talking 100% inflammation and or irritation for everyone. These clinical studies are not being done with vials that have a picture of spiderman on them.
“These clinical studies are not being done with vials that have a picture of Spider-Man on them.” hahaha
I have my moments
It’s facts tho cuz all these underground vials are not is what’s being used in the studies. It’s just funny cuz a lot of these vials have these fancy labels
anvilI enjoy them!
I don't agree with the method, it has extremely limited research.
The part you copied from above is referencing this study:
The third study is actually on subq oil injection in cotton seed or sesame oil.
in transgender (woman to man) patients..
This section talks about their reactions:
Preference, tolerability, local reactions, and safety
Surveys administered to patients who had previously received IM T prior to SC demonstrated that after initiating SC therapy, all 22 preferred SC injections; two had a mild preference and 20 a marked preference for SC injections. No patients were neutral or expressed a preference for IM injections.
There were 10 site reactions reported by 9 patients. Four patients reported a small nodule at the site of injection that occurred intermittently or consistently, resolved in 1 to 2 days, and was not bothersome. Two patients reported that a small area of urticaria appeared at the injection site several hours after each injection and persisted for 2 to 3 days. Two patients reported some transient inflammation at the injection site, one of whom later experienced a single episode of cellulitis that resolved without therapy. There were no other local or systemic adverse effects.
Acne emerged in 37 of our 63 patients and was usually mild. In only two patients was the degree of acne sufficient to prompt referral to a dermatologist. No patients opted to decrease their T dose on the basis of the acne. None of our patients, including those who had undergone ovariectomy, experienced vasomotor symptoms while receiving T therapy.
Hematocrit values remained within the normal adult male range in all patients, and chemistry panel values including hepatic function parameters and enzymes remained normal throughout the course of therapy.
Nice that you don't agree but I'll take the word of a medical researcher over yours any day of the week.
Subq works great on trt for me
Numbers stay constant and no issues plus medically cited
Ugl cooked on a hot plate is not pharma. Lol
Sub Q Tren ace is my method of go too, I swear last time I was pinning my glutes I’m either missing constantly or something was off as sides would come and go
Atleast now I feel steady, the blend I’m using has to have high ba or something in it because it burns after and lumps up.
Can you post the full uncropped photos please, need to really see whats going on...
And pull a cheek to the side so we can see the leather Cheerio.
You just called it a F'n Leather Cheerio. You officially get a thumbs up!
I pay attention lol
No homo, Bro.
It’s not “no homo” anymore. It’s “no diddy” now
anvilSince when? The fuck been at?
I’m just messing around , it’s still officially no homo but for the time being no diddy is a nice change but it wil always be no homo
Idk exactly when. But it’s in the rules.
And yea, Diddy really changed things up didn’t he.
The first question that comes to my mind is ... why subq ? The only compound I hit subq is HCG. Plus what size pin are you using ? Even a 25g pin I wouldn't go subq. Pin your sust deep bro and and massage it in for better absorption.
anvilI hate to argue LMAO no I don't but both things you are saying here are myths. You can subq sust, maybe this guy can't but you definitely can do it. Who the hell is subq with a 25 gauge, no one, we use 28-30s to do it.
Secondly rubbing an injection site to better absorb is a wives' tale my friend. Medical ligature will tell you NOT to do this In general, you should avoid rubbing the injection site after getting an injection, as it can irritate the skin and affect how well the medicine is absorbed. So scrap this reply my guy.
EDIT: This is the type of reply that should get down voted but I am not that type of person -1 for you in my black book @mhman LOL
Looks painful, how much are you injecting Subq at a time? Is this how your doing your cycle Subq I haven't heard of that before.
Ive done Subq off cycle for my trt, 0.3ml twice week zero issues. It was test 250.
It's not not painful haha! Really hoping I'll just get used to it because I've been feeling good since switching to this product.
Only like 10-11 units in an insulin pin daily for right around 250 mg/week. I don't consider what I'm on a cycle per se. 250test/250primo per week, 10 mg anavar and 2 IUs hgh daily. You can certainly run a cycle subq, there's videos about it for sure.
When you said daily ithough half mil a day lol..
I'm not one for mad doses any more either, just like to look lean as well.
If it was me I'd just switch to test 250. Best of look with your cycle
Is it possible to do IM Pec daily? (subq would be awful in pec). Or was that a ret0rded question/idea?
From what I understand (and why I chose to do subq everything from the start) repeatedly puncturing IM creates scar tissue. In order to have the most stable levels and control estrogen many are opting for more frequent injections, resulting in the "modern method" of daily micro administrations subq. It has it's advantages. Insulin pins, small injection volume, even levels, reduced or not needing an AI. The disadvantages, Sust 350 can swell up your injection sites lol
I think the scar tissue scare is overblown.
Growing muscle tissue could be compared to creating scar tissue if someone wanted to look at it that way..
The process is to stress the muscle fibers to tear so they heal over, very similar to scarring..
In all my years (around 14) of using hormones I still don't have any significant scar tissue build up.
If you think about it, it's actually really unlikely to inject in the exact same spot repeatedly
anvilScare tissue definitely occurs, shows up on scans and I can hear the crunching when I do inject IM. Daily micro injections done subq will keep your hormone levels more stable and help keeping estro down, and acne because there aren't as many spikes.
I don't do subq with oils, but shallow IM and have had zero issues and lots less issues.
Amen, I feel so much better on daily subq injections.
i find it hard to believe that you hear an audible crunching when you pin.. exactly how many decibels is a needle puncture creating?
i'd imagine you feel pressure and your brain is relaying the idea of crunching..
anvilSorry I feel it you are correct , my brain dose interpret it as sound lol.
You guys are both correct in a way. The muscle builder and injecting scar tissues are a little different in a way cuz when you build muscle the tearing is microscopic tearing, the needles we use are not microscopic tearing. And as for the crunching sound, I really don’t know what that is because I have actually experienced that crunching sound a lot of times when I go upper vg and I highly doubt I have scar tissue cuz I have not been injecting for more than a year or 2 and usually always use 1” 25g(I used 1 1/2 “ 23g for like 3 months when a intx source gave me some for free with my order so I used them) and my current gf is a nurse and she would do my injections sometimes and even she would be like what’s that sound and she’s injected mad patients over the years and said she’s never noticed the sound before.
I’ve definitely experienced the crunching sound. My upper right cheek has taken some abuse. A few times with the unfortunate racquetball sized lump from dubious gear. It’s a noticeable effort compared to anywhere else to get the needle in deep.
Yeah whenever I get that sound it’s only when I push hard enough to push thru whatever is making that sound like sometimes the needle stops halfway in on whatever is making that sound and I have to give it another push to get thru whatever it is. I push very gently tho when I push the needle in so if your pushing hard with your jab you might not even notice a thicker/rough spot and you might not even get the crunch sound and I think not everybody has whatever is making that sound in their body. Cuz initially my girl would just jab hard and we never heard the sound. It would only happen when she slowed the jab down and pushed the needle in slower would we get the sound sometimes. Personally I think it’s like a dense spot of fat or something cuz I don’t think could have have crazy scar tissue that fast from only like a year to 2 years of injecting and I rotate upper and lower vg on each side. And my delta and I have injected my delts way more than the big spot that I get the sound with so if anything has scar tissue it’s the delts
I rotate mostly various spots on my hip/ventro glute (right/left) and shoulders and pin daily myself (have for years) and it does take more pressure sometimes on a few around the hip/ventro glute. I wouldn't say there is really any significant scar tissue that is causing damage or anything though. I really just meant that the terminology for "scar tissue" makes it sound a lot more damaging and horrible than it really is
anvilYeah I have rotated always. Yeah it's just tissue, unless you are competing it is irrelevant.
If you keep injecting the same injection sites, and use larger needles than needed then yes - you will form scar tissue. This is why you pick a number of injection sites to use, then rotate them over the course of the week or 2 and use smaller needles such as 25G's.
My personal opinion:
I don't know who started the idea of subq oil-based injections and in my mind, it is retarded.
ANYTHING I've ever injected subq leaves a visible distortion of the skin and can cause more damage due to surface level bacteria than an intramuscular injection. In my mind it's just not even worth it.
It's the lazy way of injecting, I've never done it and I inject ED. Its on par with not bothering to aspirate. As far as I am aware, steroid injections have always been directed to be Intra muscular.
You inject ED huh? :insert smirking emoji: lol
I'm thinkin I should take you outside and open you up for muggin me off in front of me mates ya fackin cunt