posted Tue, 01/30/2018 - 21:53
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Bloodwork for current cycle @ a litte over 3 weeks in.
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These are bloods for my current cycle which I'm on.
https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/straight-bulk
Running:
Decca 500mg EW
Test E 375mg E3D
D-Bol 50mg ED
HGH 4iu ED
INJ. ANADROL 50mg ED pre workout
Feeling strong. Cycle is going well so far.
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RustyhookerFound it finally
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/cholesterol-bro-science
Nice!
RustyhookerBe safe bro. Noone here wants to see folks hurt.
My doc would be flippin out if I had cholesterol numbers like that. You really do need to take those numbers seriously and not brush it off. Starting off a cycle in that bad of a condition is really playing with fire. Dropping orals isn't going to solve it. Elevated test also throws it out of whack. So I really don't see this getting better on its own while on cycle. Also, I assume your bulking, which also isn't going to be the most conducive diet for lowering cholesterol. You are only 3 wks into cycle so the smart thing to do would be to drop it now and not much lost but everything to gain. You need a serious shift in diet and probably some meds to get that straightened out and it just isn't going to happen on cycle.
RustyhookerEDIT.......I was gOnna help but fuck you! Your reply below was stupid and uncalled for. Id neg the shit outta you if i could. Kick rocks....
Would love to hear what you have to say Rusty, honestly.
Liver looks ok. Your lipids are fucked though. How much longer you gonna run the orals?
Off of them for now. Will pulse them later on.
Please tell me you have discussed your cholesterol with a doctor. Your hdl is 8. You are dangerously playing with fire! Cycle is not going well! You need to stop and get cholesterol medication and get off everything. Hope you understand
Thanks, I understand there is still a lot antiquated dietary and nutritional information that is still ingrained in the mainstream so it's definitely easy for somebody like you to immediately grasp for something like cholesterol medication which is kind of sad. There have been many studies debunking a lot of the contemporary thoughts in regards to cholesterol and the detriment to one's heart. People immediately trying to rectify a problem with serious medications is a huge problem in society in my opinion. So maybe you should consider that before putting on your stethoscope and saying somebody should immediately get on cholesterol medication? Also, don't forget this is a temporary state of being.
You are talking to the wrong people. They are taking your valid points as argumentative, which they are, but compleyely missing the points. This is just fuel for their fires.
You are 100% correct in what you are saying... 100%... HOWEVER....
You are in a cycle that has actually flipped your lipids. So regardless of what that truly means physiologically... it would be wise to get back to normal, in general.
Niacin flush will sort the lipids. You can remain in cycle if you lower the test, drop the pills, drop ancilliaries (because ofbwhat they do to lipids)and flush your body. 3g nicitonic acid per day. Uncomfortable but effective (ibdo 1g 3xday or 1.5 x2 per day). If it doesnt normalise then get off cycle. Oh and drop the fats and chol sources that you absolutely must be consuming to bump the tc up.
Facts are; unless you know the LDL particle size and numbers, your argument is equally as bullshido as the lads who burned you. Unless you test that, you must respect the facts that a raise in TC and flipped lipids are both correlated with cv disease. So do a proper test on cholesterol or fix your cycle.
No point in arguining with randomers on a steroid forum who think its ok to prescribe statins!!!!! Dont whinge about it, just sort it.
Thanks bro. I appreciate the feedback and the level-headed, objective understanding of the points I was trying to express. I am curious to see how this revamping of diet and OTC supplementation helps the cholesterol. I think the information it will give me will be invaluable with my future cycles and I'll definitely share the results. Regarding the cholesterol: Is there another specific test to determine particle size that you're aware of?
Well i get it and your concerns are valid... but... not if you took drugs that flipped em if you know what i mean ha!
The bigger picture you arentouching on is a really interesting discussion. Statin manufacturers and their shill doctors are a bunch of pigs.
Yes, so if you can get it, you would want to look at LDL particle size and number. If the ldl is all or mostly thr 'bad' type then thats the stuff that causes inflamation and cv disease. But there is an ldl that is in fact very good for you. Average bloods just dont distinguish, so i am going to suggest your primary doctor might need to order it from whatever lab he uses??
You should watch the movie this interview is from
https://vimeo.com/primemovement/noakesuncut
This is the uncut interview, fascinating stuff
Rustyhooker'so it's definitely easy for somebody like you to immediately grasp for something like cholesterol medication which is kind of sadx
Wow, youre a fucking dickhead. Don't ask me for help ever asshole. Cant believe your stupid ass .....
I mean, I'm sorry that I sound like a dick but I just feel very strongly about not immediately reaching for prescription medications to solve problems. I feel like that's a huge reason why the US is in an opiod crisis amongst other pharmaceutical issues. Maybe the way I expressed myself wasn't the most tactful but hey, none of us are going to come across perfect all the time. So glad to see that disqualifies me from potentially asking some of the most experienced members such as yourself for help. I guess you've never been a dickhead.
RustyhookerFuck medications bro. Drop that cycle and clean your blood up. Dudes saying the truth. You gonna run a full cycle with cholesterol looking like that??!! By week 14 you hit 300+ and just stroke out. Was it worth it?
Anytime someone points out the obvious death sentence, its always worth the time to listen. Or die. Your choice.
So, now that I've dropped the dbol and drol and will be off of both for the next four weeks I was planning on running my blood again in another four weeks to see how much my cholesterol levels have changed since dropping both of these compounds. Also will implement more foods to increase HDL levels. I feel the information at that point will be more indicative of whether I should discontinue use altogether and will provide me with valuable future insight as well. What do you think?
Rustyhooker500mg no flush niacin ed. Oats. Clean food.
Id drop cycle, recover bloods, then run.
Thanks brother. I actually already ordered some no flush niacin and also a stanol/sterol supp. Already on the way now. Will post bloods again in approx 4 weeks time.
Rusty and I have different protocols for the niacin. I prefer the straight niacin not the no flush version. I hit 3 grams of it before bed, been doing it so long I barely flush at all now but start with 500mg or 1 gram. You will adjust quickly and the flushing will go down.
My first gram had me rolling holding my stomach it hurt so bad. Take it after a large meal. I prefer dinner.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^ fast acting as well had medical backing. Good add!!
So do you feel that the non flush version is not as potent?
The studies proving effectiveness used 3 grams as the sweet spot because that dose both raised good cholesterol AND lowered bad cholesterol. Lower doses only lowered bad and had no impact on good. Taking 3 grams of the XR niacin (flush free) has been shown to stress the liver. It’s the extended release formulation that does this not the niacin itself.
Hmmm, I see that now. Annoying that the Vitamin Shoppe won't let me change the order even though I just released it an hour or so ago >_< and it hasn't even shipped.
Hey ranger got a question for you. What kinds of lipid meds should one consider if they’re intending to run:
1) longer cycles than that should
2)more orals than they should
3)heavier doses than they should
Or does it just come back to, don’t be an idiot, take time off, limit your orals?
Well the problem is alot of people can't handle the side effects of cholesterol medication. Drugs like lipitor crestor work but Google cholesterol medication side effects. Alot of times people cannot tolerate them. So it's a last resort. If you need to you can easily buy them on Internet. But make sure you read all possible side effects and watch your self closely. I would say they are dangerous, take only if needed and just long enough to get better levels.
Copy, much appreciated.
In your opinion are these drugs strong enough to counter AAS induced lipid levels like those above without stopping the cycle?
It's interesting that at one moment you are recommending somebody "immediately get on cholesterol medication" and then in the next moment you are saying "it's a last resort and a lot of people can't handle the medication's side effects."..... so .... which is it? Should I immediately get on medication or should an alternative be considered first since you're also saying it's a last resort?
Unknown, his response to my hypothetical question was a warning to weigh the cost benefit if it’s really necessary.
His response to your very real non-hypothetical cholesterol issues was to get help immediately. Lipid levels like the ones on your bloodwork mean you’re building up plaque on your arteries RIGHT NOW. Yes it’s a slow killer but very serious. Please take it as such.
Okay, I understand this beard thank you. I do appreciate the feedback, honestly and I'm not taking anything lightly.... However, there's nothing hypothetical about somebody telling you to stop everything your doing and get on blood pressure medication right away. That's direct and irresponsible medical advice imo. Is this fair?
Yes sir. I believe you misunderstood. The hypothetical situation was his comment toward me. Not you. Toward you it was 100% medical advice and I don’t see it as irresponsible given your current bloods.
Fair enough, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I feel you should never advise somebody to take a serious prescription medication without having some idea of their medical history. This leaves one unable to weigh the potential harm it could cause.
And ranger expects you to have enough sense not to start blindly shoveling down pills without research because a guy on the internet told you to. He’s just trying to help bro.
We’d all hate to lose another bearded brethren. Take care.
Thanks brother.
Goodluck ass
Thanks Dr. Ranger.