posted Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:11
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+ 7 Black Top Sample 28 tested for firsthgh
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Unfortunately this sample 28 (.3 Serum) turned out much worse than the first sample 35 (4.6 Serum).
As usual protocol used was 10iu IM 3.5 hrs prior to blood test.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/firsthgh-black-tops-for-testing
See other HGH test results here:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/gorillafits-hgh-test-resul...
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Thanks for testing G-fit. You've spent quite a bit on testing over the years and we appreciate it. +1
Your welcome MegaT, its your fault getting me started with this to a degree you know! LOL ;-P
+1 thanks for testing. What are you testing next?
Your welcome. Possibly IGF-1LR3? I'm field testing some right now. I need to do more research. Many say you can't test IGF-1LR3 with normal IGF-1 blood test.
Gonna send u a pm I ve been using IGF-1LR3 and IGF-1 DES on and off for a year. Don't think I'm aloud to post the brands in here.
Increlex (mecasermine) is the only FDA approved brand in the US that I found in my research. They've had trouble with production also in the past. I've located one Compound Pharmacy that compounds IGF-1 and IGF-1LR3. Currently trying to get a script for it. It seems that authentic IGF-1LR3 is extremely hard to find. I believe it's more unstable than HGH also making it delicate to ship is what my HRT Clinic is telling me at the moment. So I doubt these black tops are IGF-1
Ahhhh....shit, nevermind. I misread your post G. Sorry. I did see the IGF-1 you've got. I spoke directly with GGs lab before. Seem to be very knowledgeable with access to lots of peptides and other goodies. Hope it turns out good.
I did a lil research on that also. The Iplex looked good also with the IGFBP-3 included to prolong its availability. People keep saying and things I'm reading say IGF-1LR3 is more stable than IGF-1 and doesn't require the delicate handling or the AA to mix it for extended storage. It's tough because I think people are just updating old IGF-1 info to include IGF-1LR3. Its hard to tell what to believe especially if all their tests were on fake IGF-1LR3!!!! The research continues! LOL ;-P
Too much Bro Science and not enough real science on both IGF and HGH GFit. What's cool about the compounding Pharmacy is that they offer both IGF-1 and IGF-1LR3 in pens similar to NordiPens. IGF-1LF3 is preferred because of the half-life I'm assuming. So that's what I'm working on. It's all really new compounds so the true science hasn't caught up with the demand for it.
I here that. I'm trying to sort through it and compare findings in PubMed and other studies.
Real world testing under our different conditions gives a lot of info but sometimes creates more questions regarding results in uncontrolled tests, without other tests to eliminate variables. I don't really have the time or money for the controls or compounds I'd like to use, so I gather and assess what I can. I appreciate all the data from you and MegaT883, you guys have posted tons of info and provided me lots of research material. Some times too much to read. Can a brother get a memory upgrade around here? Although I have noticed improved memory, from the HGH I am assuming.
A big plus one for you, for putting your ass on the line injecting who knows what, to test for all of us. Thanks.
And it really does make you wonder what is in it. I'm using generic Nomatropin right now and would love to test it. But my Doc refused me IGF/Serum.
It could have still been HGH raws that were damaged during the lypholization process. I have tested HGH that was not processed properly that tested .08.
Dang it CP! I need a word with that Doc of yours. For some reason I get the feeling your Doc was the same Doc on "The Cannonball Run"! He had BIG fingers! Lol
Anonwhats the point of even testing GH serum anymore? we all know growth can test high on serum but yield little to no IGF bump which is what we want. Shouldn't we be doing IGF tests at this point?
Personally I need more than a few uncontrolled tests done by people who had no\extremely low base values to convince me that High HGH Serum and less than great IGF-1 levels means the HGH is not real. There are many factors that can effect IGF-1 response to Exogenous HGH. On one of the tests in question the subject had high AST\ALT values (normally indicative of Liver Stress), Extremely high Test and Free Test values. I would think this may possibly effect IGF-1 production. On the others there was no other data other than the IGF-1 values. I have seen studies regarding IGFBP effecting IGF-1 values. I'm sure there are many other issues that I have not seen yet and will possibly never understand completely.
Regarding solely using IGF-1 tests I just ran HGH serum and IGF-1 on another brand that showed excellent IGF-1 and low HGH Serum??? I don't think any single test is going to tell the whole story, especially with the uncontrolled subjects and protocols being used.
Anonthe shitty thing about this is, there are really little-to-none reliable tests on things like this..
We are trying to use what is available and analyze the results. Sometimes people just look at the value and make a decision. But I have seen some very wide ranging results in that Saizen study on injection method regarding their cool-click, click-easy....? device. I know I have it on a drive somewhere but the graphs were for like 20 subjects receiving the same amount and the results were all over regarding IGF increase, HGH Serum increase, time to peak....and this is with Pharma product in controlled test environments. That is why I am saying it takes more than one test of one value to determine quality, it also requires historic values to a degree to know where these subjects normally are with different manufactures and what steroids their running. I've seen studies recently on I think it was rats that showed a big jump in IGF-1 when injecting them with Nandrolone. Testosterone has also been shown to increase IGF-1. So much to learn!!!
Prolly by the time an IGF-1 is done with these a new fresh batch of unlabeled black tops will be made.....so GH Serum is quicker maybe? Trying to stay one step ahead of the ole bait n switch? Well, in this case there was no bait to switch. :( Alls I know is them yellow guys is sneaky sneaky (yellow sponge not included of course)
HGH serum is faster, just 1 injection. IGF-1 can be tested with a single injection also once you know your base, if you have no other factors effecting your IGF-1 levels like AAS, workouts..... LOL ;-P
A more complete test would be increase over time with initial values and ending values after 3 weeks or so.
But these really should be more controlled tests to be precise.
How long should you be running GH before testing for IGF? I did 2weeks at 4ius a day with Nordi's & it wasn't flagged as high
There are a couple methods. If you have your base IGF-1 values you can test for IGF-1 increase from a single shot after 24 hrs. Your levels will build with continued use sort of like AAS half life overlap.
But thats what I was getting at above. Uncontrolled tests looking for one thing do not give the whole story or tell us necessarily if the product is quality or not. HGH Serum is the starting point and only takes 1 injection. If it tests high then there is a reason to do a run and test IGF-1 increase. If no HGH Serum increase why move forward waisting time and money?
Thanks for the continued information! Extremely helpful and valuable.
+1
Your welcome, the more information we have the easier it is to make good decisions.
man what a fucking gamble generics are
thanks for your continued support to the community GF, I dont think I can gamble with my dough, better start a fund for pharma.
Where's muta I'm get some on laya a way. Mutaaaaa!!! I think I will just direct deposit you my man!! I put outs the sponge bob spotlight...
Truth be told like a year ago he told me to only go pharma and now I'm starting to see the light
Yea but some of us can't afford Pharma, so we have to better understand generics and Non Pharma.
Of course "REAL" Pharma grade HGH is just that. Generic or Non Pharma (Hyge, Riptropin...) can be very good a 1/10th the price which is why I keep testing to show what is good out there and what isn't.
Pharma gets counterfeited. There were news articles regarding Pharmacies buying counterfeit HGH a few years ago. Nobody tests "Pharma" though because it's "Pharma" they believe.
1 guy's gear I would assume is 100% as he throughly tests everything he sells from what I have seen.
Thank for doing this. I was waiting to see what you found. On another note, wnose that 1 guy who tests everything? Care to PM me
PM sent
Yea bro I can't afford it either. Not to run 10 iu
maybe 1iu for anti aging effecrts etc,
I would have to crunch the numbers but say 300 iu/ year taking weekends off.... as a rough guess Its hard to just say OK I will just get some Hyges... wait for you to test some i mean right? wait for you to verify and then like a circus rodeo jump on that shit before its a new batch.
Then what? say 3iu is equal to 1iu? Seeing how there is not an exact science behind my broken economics
SO then would 900iu/year be =, <, >, 300iu? in price? In effect? its very difficult to make a proper plan based off so many random variable's. Especially with a very narrow and novice track record I have.
Win some Lose some. but my body isn't baseball. I want to be my best, I dont want a .500 season. I want to know that I make well informed choices now a days.
Thanks to you bro, and I really appreciate it we can be a step closer!
I here you on the finances, I'm getting tight running the tests 2-3\month. Winter heating bills....
Anyway, instead of guessing you can select an IGF-1 level you want to maintain and test IGF-1 increase by HGH dose using the information pathtaker posted here to come up with your target HGH dose:
http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/an-example-of-extrapolating-hgh-targ...
I think I'd be happy with a .500 average in Baseball I'd be a super star. In my career I'd be fired! LOL ;-P
Your welcome! I'll keep researching and posting as long as I can.
As always, thanks for testing GFit. You ever worry about what's in all those Generics?
Was just gonna say that. It's awesome knowing guys are running tests for themselves and the community but it's getting fucking scary to even think about what we might be putting in our bodies. If some of these sources don't give a shit if what there selling is real do they give a fuck if it's sterile or not gonna kill us! And I dont mean that toward our sources, I'm talking about their suppliers. In all honestly, what was actually reconstituted and injected for this test?
GFit is our very own Brave HGH Warrior.
Hail, how do we even know if we are getting real pharma nowadays? If from a source it's a gamble.
Agreed. Mad props to gfit for taking the first step.
Because all my HGH I purchase has medical scripts on them.
(Nordi Pens excluded. But I trust my source and my IGF-1 levels have been elevated nicely. Same with Seros although most have scripts taken off before shipped)
You're not joking about that. Even with some of the awesome sources we have I still get nervous about injecting something I didn't get out of the pharmacy personally. I'm only 32yrs old and I plan on being around for the long run with my wife and daughter. Hell, I'd be happy to make it to GFits age!...Just kidding, thank you again GFit for taking one for the team
LOL gfit is a stud at any age!!! I'm a huge fan!
but let me tell you. Tests like these really make you think
You say that, but then you never call! LOL ;-P no homo
Sometimes, but we started this, and Its better to know its no good, and the Source not sell it to everyone.
If they ever turn green and bubble I don't think I'll inject it! LOL ;-P
I heard those were GTG!