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5-6th week in ParaPharma Test e 500mg/w, Proviron 50mg Ed, Armidex .5 e3d. Can't test above 52nmol/L so test is much higher I'd say. Alt is a bit high but started tudca and milk thistle just after bloods.
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I'm surprised the Provi and Adex have had that much of an effect on your Liver levels - everything else looks good though. Interesting how a lot of your readings dip but then go up such as Haemoglobin etc.
On AST I thought the ref. range was normally up to around 60 but on yours its 110.
Molinin302There's a bunch of drugs out there, both prescribed and OTC that aren't inherently toxic to the liver in and of themselves, but will raise levels and cause very serious issues if there are preexisting issues. Yet another reason pre cycle bloodwork is so important. If someone was a heavy drinker, or say their line of work exposed them to things that caused non alcoholic fatty liver, the proviron is not going to go well. Everybody is different, some guys tolerate everything, some bodies? Not so much...
Yes it did raise it quite substantially. I think due to my liver values already being elevated somewhat. I'm not sure about the reference range though. I am in NZ, possible there are different values in different countries. Thanks for the comment
Molinin302+1 for testing, may want to back off from the arimidex a little. Your ALT levels were elevated before, arimidex can flare that up... thanks for posting.
Yep you are on the money. After these bloods I dropped to .25 e3d and after 2 weeks felt this was still to much. I am now only taking .25 when my skin starts to get oily. Thanks for the comment
AnonI heard Proviron compliments an AI but does not replace one. If true, and I am not sure it is (anyone who knows more on this is I graciously encouraged to chime in about it). But if True, then sticking to E3D dosing with Adex while lowering Adex dosage to .25mg for some weeks or until stopping the Proviron might be an improvement. Estro seems low enough to not be an issue to try this.
TricepatopsProviron is one of the best things to run on cycle. It is not really toxic to the liver at all. It has very mild anti E properties. I ran prob for 6 months and my liver enzymes actually went down but this wasn't to proviron just better overall diet and I take milk thistle for half of the year or more. Proviron makes the test you take way more effective as it helps convert the test in your body to free test which is what is usable to help increase muscle mass
Thank you for the comment. I don't have a lot of experience with this but I can certainly say that for me proviron has kept e2 in check quite well by itself. I am still learning but now know that as you have just said accompanied with proviron, armidex @ .25 e3d maximum seems to be correct for me. Thanks again
AnonI don't have much knowledge or experience on using Proviron and Adex together either. I do have to change my Adex dosage based on what I'm running. If I'm running 500mg/wk Test or higher then .5mg Adex E3D works for me. If cruising on 200mg of Test I can drop my Adex to .25mg E3D as soon as my overall Test levels drop from the previous cycle, about 3 weeks. I'm lucky when it comes to low E symtoms, I can tell real quick just by some of my joints, they get dry and cracky on me first before any other low E sides and I can get E back to a healthy range really fast from there.
I had an issue with it on this round. I had high e2 sides and started .5 armidex eod.nit was to much to soon and I crashed my e. It took 5-6 days to feel better. I had never crashed e before but now know exactly what to be aware of before it gets to low. Yeah joints where bad on me to, especially shoulders.
AnonI have a half used bag of dbol tabs. if I crash my E or nearly crash it I will start taking dbol at 10mg 2x a day for just 1 week. That's the dbol crashed E hack in a nutshell. It works for me.
Sometimes UGL Adex can be over-dosed. I've seen lab test show 1mg tab results comeback at nearly 2mg a tab. So if you're using UGL Adex that don't have lab results posted it might be a bit over-dosed. I think Adex being over or under is more common than many realize. Cause what would it matter when a lot of guys will just go by how they feel and take more or less until they feel alright. I got a 2 pharma brands of Adex I keep on hand that I trust are dosed right on the money.
I've heard of ppl using dbol to get back on track quicker. I had some on me but didn't use. It only took me 5-6 days to feel good again. How much quicker has it helped you? Hopefully it doesn't happen again but if it does I'll have a go with dbol.
Anon1 week of 10mg 2x a day.
I was dosing my Adex at .5mg EOD when I switched over to some under-dosed Test and it crashed my E hard. I switched to some trusted Test and dropped the Adex and ran dbol for a week then started dosing my Adex E3D. I haven't dosed my Adex ED since, E3D only since then.
EDIT: if 3 days of dbol works to fix crashed E then go with what works. There is not exact protocol, the dbol hack is 100% bro science all the way. There's no double blind placebo controlled study out there about dbol fixing crashed E.
I wouldn’t say using dbol to raise oestrogen is 100% bro science by any stretch. If you understand the pharmacodynamics of dbol which has been studied extensively, more so than most other anabolic steroids, it’s pretty straight forward. It of course is person dependant, as is everything else in this game, there is rarely a cookie cutter approach and usually some trial and error is involved. It’s worth noting a lot of lads don’t kill all oestrogen in the body, using words like ‘crashed’ is an expression on having lowered your e2 beyond what feels normal for them and experiencing unwanted side effects, hence why dbol works to bring it up for a large number of lads.
If you’ve actually crashed you oestrogen then weather or not the use of dbol will work to raise your e2 depends on 2 things, the subject’s reaction to dbol and what ai the subject used to crash their oestrogen.