posted Tue, 08/20/2013 - 16:03
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+ 2 Before my first REAL bulk cycle.
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This is my post Spring EBC status. Finished EBC weighing 218 and now sitting between 230 - 235 still eating clean except 3 cheat meals a week. About to start my 3rd cycle; first 2 were test and then test and var for EBC.
For my 3rd cycle I'm going to be running test and deca and will be using Muta's oils for the first time so needless to say I'm a little excited lol. Oh and will be running 6 iu's of GH throughout the cycle as well. Finally have my diet in check and just ramped up my carbs so will be starting my cycle in a few weeks! Any feedback as to what I need to work on is welcomed! My legs are by far my strongest body part so really want to bring up my whole upper body. And lower work on separation
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Dude no offense but I'm 206 pounds 17% bf and I look way more fit than this. Idk how u checked it but I think u should check again bro.
Then post up a pic and show me.
Don't run a cycle get a nutritionist and go from you 26% bf and have them get you to 12-15% before you ever cycle. Honestly that's your best choice
If your dead set on running this cycle I suggest running 25 mg to 50 mg proviron the whole cycle, it will dry you out some while bulking and your body fat does look high but looks like mostly holding water to me which proviron will assist in getti g rid of along with an aggressive AI dialed in
bro you serious? no offense but i like to come with the reality checks since thats what it always took me to really see where im at and what to do next. You are no where near 10% anytime recently, your atleast at 20% I remember being at my highest ever which was 23% and I wasnt holding as much bf as you. Your lbm (lean body mass) is way lower than you think, and to bulk now would help gain lbm yes, but also just continue to add on bloat and fat. You really need to check your diet and i recommend getting a nutritionist before you go about any more cycles, spend your money on that. A good nutritionist could have gotten you way further by now than trying to do your own diet and cycling. Steroids will never get you results you want unless everything is in check. Realize where you currently are, what your goals are, and take the proper steps to do it and quit trying to substitute for it with bs diet and thinking cycling will get you there. Once I got a nutritionist I got way better gains in three months with them that I did trying to do one cycle and having a bs diet.
Lmao thanks!! 20%?? Ill stick to my plan and follow my coaches advice who seems to think I'm right on track. I can promise u I'm no where near 20% but if u say so lol thanks for the extra motivation!!!
Lmao for anyone who thinks you are under 20%. Google body fat chart and it will show you what every percent looks like. I'm 12 and you can barely see the outline of mine. You have tons of fat on you...it's not a question. And your coach and you will fail to be successful if you are blind to the truth. I'm interested to know what bf you think you are at? I'm just trying to giving some honest feedback and advice since you asked.
That chart doesn't work for everyone bro. I used to be over 300 pounds so I have loose skin as well. I'm not gonna argue with you, ill post some pics of a front double bi and a rear double bi and see if you feel the same way.
If so then we can agree to disagree. In my finished EBC pics the calipers said 7.9% with 3 different people doing the test so I add 4% to that so maybe 12% and diet has been pretty clean except for a couple meals on the weekend so no way in hell I'm 20%.
I'm doing my first show towards the end of next yr after I add the mass so I appreciate the extra motivation tho!!
Is this real life??? Can anyone else chime in? 8% bf you should see all your abs, definition between muscle groups [bis,tris,shoulders,back separation etc] you have soooo much fat on you and if you bulk with that much you will just add to it...cut another 30 lbs and lean out then you should do a year or two of lean bulking without steroids. Post your diet and let me see how on point it is. This is amazing to me
Below is the diet I just started to bulk and will continue to adjust throughout cycle...and I'm done wit this.
Meal 1-8oz ground sirloin
4oz green beans
4oz quinoa
4oz Granny Smith apple
Meal 2-2 scoops Iso100
2tbsp udo's
1 scoop amazing grass superfood
2 oz blueberries
Meal 3-10 oz chicken
8oz yams
4oz pineapple
Meal 4-10oz ground turkey
6oz yams
4oz kale
Meal 5-8 oz top sirloin
8oz yams
4oz pineapple
Meal 6-10oz chicken
4oz walnuts
4oz asparagus
4oz kale
Meal 7-2 scoops iso100
1 scoop amazing grass
2 tbsp avocado oil
1 Granny Smith apple
Post workout-
2 scoops iso100
2 scoops vitargo
Well ill be honest that looks great if it is right in line with your macros. Only reason if saying all this is cause it took my bodybuilder friends to open my eyes to what i needed to hear and from then is when I made true progress.
It's cool bro and I know this picture may not due me justice but my coaches competitors are winning shows and I don't think he would steer me in the wrong direction.
My eyes have been opened bro but I really think its the pic(I know it sounds like bullshit) you can see the veins in my delts and arms and the only place you can really grab fat is on my belly and my kidney because that is going to be the last place to deplete on me. I was pissed too when they told me 7.9 cuz I look no where close to it.
It is what it is and I will use this as motivation so I appreciate it even tho I don't agree that my bf is that high. Thanks for the feedback.
I know you've heard it two times already, but no matter how good of a diet you'll go under, you'll put on some fat while bulking. I'll join the other voices and highly recommend cutting a bit first.
I've learned this the hard way. A major cut after a major bulk usually means major loss of gains.
In any case, I wish you all the best.
What would u say my bf is at?
Exactly what he said. 23% minimum. I would agree more like 26%
The only judgment tool we have is your picture. Looking at it, I'd say at least in the 22-26% BF range. Please don't take it personally, I know you're convinced you're no way near 20%, but according to the picture, you are. I've seen hundreds of pictures paired to their correct BF.
Please note that conventional cheap BF measurement methods (calipers, electrical, etc.) are all unreliable and have a large margin of error. The only reliable method is water submersion (Hydrostatic).
waltrUnless you're not worried about it you might want to try and lose a little of the abdominal fat before you go on a major bulk. It'll just be more work to lose it later on if you don't and you might end up losing more of the muscle you'd gain during the bulk by having to go hardcore on a diet. Of course, I have no idea what your end goals are.
Thanks for the feedback but my bf isn't as high as it seems. I used to be really big and that is the last part to leave on me. I was around 10% bf at the end of EBC and still didnt look like it. I can promise my diet will be in check for the entire cycle and shouldn't put on much fat or diet will adjust.
My goal is to flat out add MASS but not get sloppy. Really want to bring up chest back and arms.
waltrWell if that's the goal, eat big and lift the heaviest weight you can for as many reps as you can and it'll happen.
Yessir, that's the plan. As much quality muscle as possible.