posted Wed, 10/16/2013 - 23:51
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+ 2 Any reason to doubt their legitamcy?
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To keep everyone happy, I've removed the images.
I received the confirmation I needed (Thanks MAC), so I'm happy. Apologies if i annoyed people or broke any (written or unwritten) rules.
Thanks @ engineereddisaster and @OmNom for the polite explanation. I guess I addresses this a bit too harshly. The -1 has been reversed to a +1
As for the kid who negged me in retaliation. Grow up, son.
It's cool bro. We are all playing for the same team.
I'm not a kid or your son. I un negged you since you un did your wrong but your still a jerk off
Again, I won't indulge you in your insults, son.
angusSome solid research on counterfeits.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/semi-legitimate-counterfeit-bayer-primo
Impossible to tell by looking at the pic.
That's for Primo, test amps are waaaay different.
I am right 95% of time by looking at pic, so no it's not impossible, just not conclusive.
I can tell you 90% of omnadren on the market right now are fake, the only real ones are the ones made for Ukrainian and Russian market. Because Poland got very strict and Jelfa factory there came under serious heat in recent years.
Sustanon by Organon, the ones from Karachi, Pakistan are easy to get genuine. Same with the above pictured Bayer test enan from Pakistan.
Anything from Pakistan is easy to get u can buy it at any pharmacy over there. What gets tricky is shipping things out of the country, which is why u don't see as much Nile sust (Egypt) and certain brands from other countries. Pakistan don't give a shit tho lol.
Primo amps are from Turkey, as well as some Spanish countries.
Galenika from Serbia is somewhat easy to get as well. The thing is, if the supplier
Isn't getting them direct from the country of origin, it's a 50/50 chance of being counterfeit. Plus these amps are from gymchemist and he has always had real amps, to my knowledge. Plus I have the same exact amps as shown in pic and I have pics of them on my profile. They are exactly the same. Fake ones look so shitty. Primo is easier to fake cause it has paper labels. I've done extensive research on all this crap and that's why I stay away from most HG gear unless I know what country the source is, or where they get it from allegedly and sometimes I'll take a chance. There's legit HG out there, u just have to find it by trial and error.
angusThe actual link was for primo but inside of the post there were links to very good information on ALL counterfeits.
I won't argue with you on your ability to spot fakes as I have no evidence to the contrary. Perhaps you should write a forum about all your research? Might help others.
Ya that is a good idea. 60% of my research is from the web, and 40% is personal experience with the amps in question. I want
To Make that clear. Hailrazor PMd me back a while ago when he got those primo amps and asked my opinion. The organon sust he had were fake I knew that within 10 seconds looking at them, and sure enough they were.
I looked and looked at the primo and all I knew at the time is the Bayer symbol on real ones is bolder, and the blue dot is even and thick, not spotty and thin. Also with HG gear 99% of the time it is clear oil not yellow or even pale yellow.
So I told him I really didn't know, at first I said fake because it was from same source as the fake sust I believe, but when I really looked harder I couldn't for sure say. Primo amps are very hard determine if they are fake or not.
I just hate all these assholes making the fake amps lol
angusResearch + Experience = professional opinion. Nothing wrong with that. I don't mind telling you that I am correct at spotting fakes 100% of the time. I have never been wrong yet......just because the mass spec report follows and I can read that, lol. I applaud your research time invested. You might just be our counterfeit guru on this board. I retract my original statement that it's impossible to tell, it appears I was wrong and I apologize if I offended you. It was not my intention.
What !! Poland very strict !! L.O.L !!
That's what I heard. Something about joining the European Union or whatever it is, because I did some searching around last year when I couldn't find ANY real omnadren any more, and found all these legal documents of the American FDA filing lawsuits against Jelfa for poor GMP standards, and the such.
I read from multiple sources that they were "cracking down" on Jelfa and tightening up security on the factories and controlling what goes where. I mean look around bro, back in the day there were Jelfa dbol, test prolongatum (test enan), and omnadren EVERYWHERE... Now u can't find ANY real polish omnadren amps. The only
Real ones I've heard of people getting (or so they think) are the ones made for Ukrainian/Russian market. Obviously you know a lot more about Poland than I do lol...
But I'm just talking about Jelfa mostly, and the export they do is not as lenient as it used to be, part of that has to do with the stress the UN and US have put on Jelfa and I'm sure Poland contributed to that as well. I'm
Not a guru with this stuff man and rarely do I speak on something unless I've done a lot of research myself, but this is what I've came up with from looking around. I just wish I could fly around the world and get all the human grade I want from all these foreign pharmacies lol
Those are real
GOD DAMN IT! Why do you have the freaking packaging in the picture?! Don't you people learn?!
One more time and I'll keep talking about this: We need a flagging functionality.
Bro, that's a little harsh. I don't thing negging the guy is called for. Yeah, you can see the packaging in the blur, but do you really think that compromised anyone's security? I get 20 white packages like that in the mail every week.
Though I can appreciate your passion for security, I really think there is a better way to handle it than getting nasty on the bro and negging his ass.
You had your say about a flagging functionality in the forums. one single person replied to that thread. If the Mods felt the need for it, there would be one.
Well, I'm still going to talk about it. Devs and mods can do what they want, they can implement the feature or not.
I'm going to keep bringing it up every time I see something that needs to be flagged. Because I care about this community.
If you insist on banging on about it at every opportunity why not take it down a notch and deliver it as some advice to the member instead of unleashing the rage.
You should copy a link to the rule for him since its so important to you that he follows them that you would -1 him .
RustyhookerActually there IS a rule about shipping packaging. Fact
Get your head straight, mate. It's not important to me, or you, or even the mods that he follows the rules, it's important to whole community. Anything even in the gery areas of security risk must be avoided.
Also, the rules are down there. Everybody can see them. They are the first thing you see when you sign up. Enough spoon-feeding and babysitting.
It's extremely childish of you to go and randomly -1 one of my photos as retaliation. What a disgusting mentality.
I said what I said because its not in the rules dip shit. Maybe you should have a read....and I'm not your mate. You talk about helping the community but how about the guy who posted the pic that is asking for help and guidance and all you could do was talk shot and tell him a rule that doesn't actually exist. I thought it was cool to troll around and tell people what to do too until someone corrected me so don't feel bad your a jerk off
Trust me, mate. You cannot make me feel bad. Also, I'm not trolling.
I will not sink to your level and return the insults, so I'll just leave you there, son.
Wow, this thread has really deviated.
I was just reaching out for peoples thoughts/experiences on the legitimacy of a product. Surely the packaging is one of the ways to help verify this?
I honestly don't see what the big issue is.
The inside packaging is fine as long as none of your info or the sources are there.. but for future reference don't show the actual outside of the package.. I'm assuming that white envelope is what it was mailed in.. that's the part you want to leave out of picts
It's a generic white envelope, available from any stationary shop. No personal or source info was present and merely used as a white backdrop for the amps.
But, advice noted and any future photos will be packaging free.
AnonYes there is always a reason to doubt amps because they are commonly faked....i got some of these and yours look to be true bayer
There are alot of guys here that are good at spotting fakes
look real to me.. got some of the same stuff
Any good?
oil is thick and smooth. the stuff is really potent with a good diet you will put on some good size