Bulk cycle
Ok fellas this is going to be my bulk cycle for the next couple of months. I am planning on competing in an npc competition beginning if next year and will appreciate any input. I blast and cruise. Cruise is at 200mg pw.
Cycle #1
Test e: 750mg pw weeks:1-20
Test p: 100mg eod weeks:1-20
Eq:1200mg pw weeks:1-20
Npp:100mg eod weeks:1-10
Either tbol finisher or dbol kicker
Liver support:tudca 1000 Ed
Ai: aromasin 12.5mg Ed or arimidex: .5mg eod/e3d
Caber: .5mg e3d 2-10
Hgh: 4iu-6iu Ed 6 on 1 off o
Cycle # 2
Test e : 900mg pw 1-20
Test c: 900mg pw 1-20
Eq:1200mg pw 1-20
Prop kicker: 100mg Ed 1-4
Npp: 100mg eod 10-20
Tbol at 60mg ed: 1-6 or dbol: 50mg Ed 1-4
Aromasin: 12.5mg Ed or arimidex: .5mg Ed/eod
Caber: e3d at .5mg 10-20
Hgh: 4iu-6iu Ed. 1-20 back down to 2 iu during cruise.
Liver support: tudca at 1000mg Ed
On cycle supports: b complex, fish oil, nac, bcaas.
Hcg on both cycles will be incorporated if needed to keep the boys plump.
So let me know which of the two cycles will provide best mass gains.
I will be eating a minimum of 5,000 calories a day. A minimum of 300-400g protein a day and between 300-400g of carbs as well. I am going for pure mass. Thanks for your time and input fellas.
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cycle 1 there is no need for 20weeks of test-p, first 4 would be fine. also what is the purpose of running an oral as a finisher? are you competing or something?
cycle 2 no need to run both tests like that, pick one, 900mg is plenty of test for the cycle. why NPP instead of deca? theres no need to be pinning all those shorts on these cycles.
Im not a fan of either cycle, I would consider 1 without a finisher oral and without all the prop pins.
Ya I have em revised now went ahead with Vikings protocol. But only reason I was going to run the prop was cuz its what I had in my arsenal. And yes I am planning on competing so this is my trial run cycle to work out my kinks of what works n what doesn't for my body. Next cycle will be geared towards more of a lean mass/cutting cycle so I'm trying to put more mass on this one.i also found that my body reacts quite well to different estered cycles. Thank you for your help brother. I'm still tweaking as we speak and appreciate your help :-).
Is this really an intermediate cycle? ;)
Haha! I tried to get into advanced but haven't heard back yet. Def more advanced lol b
there is a panel of 5 advanced members that vote on who gets in, based on your photos, your posts, your compound understanding, your cycles, your experience, these things would get you in. for example these proposed cycles are not advanced, these are alot of compounds, but not very good use of them. I personally wouldnt use all this in a 20 week cycle.
I thank you for the response. I def would like to get in so I can get all the help I can and understanding to see what use of what compounds people are using to be top competitors or going to compete on a national level.
just keep doing what your doing and try back after a few more cycles, youll probably get in.
Thanks brother. I def appreciate everyone's help. Have you competed before? I am trying to prepare my self for the real deal. So any tips I would appreciate it.
I dont compete, but there is plenty of guys on here that do that can help you.
Me too! but that's fine we can get into trouble without their help... LMAO I have a multi ester cycle going right now myself, just hopped on the train monday so, I won't be sleeping much.. LOL
Ha! Hell ya your on for a ride brotha! Def keep me updated!!! Fr sent.
Dont like either cycle sorry bro.... too much pinning for a straight up mass cycle, choose heavy compounds (TEST, TREN E, EQ ) Load the dosage hit EOD shots and concentrate on eating and training... thats how to get big fast... use a drol kicker forget all the shorts on a true bulker its a waste.
Just because all these compounds are available dont mean you have to use em in every stack lol...lol at 187lbs you have nowhere to go but grow IF you get it right.
Sorry to fuck the party in here but if nobody puts you straight from the start you are going nowhere... you did good in the EBC cutter bro but true bulking is a whole new ball game, this is where people come unstuck... stick to the basics and keep it simple thats the golden ticket here ok.
Sir Viking! Thank you for your advice my man! So would it be better to throw in deca? I have eq 600 so I only have to pin twice a week with that but the test will be 1ml of each test e and c 4 times a week (mon,wed,fri,sun) 1.2ml being Sunday. Then I could throw in deca at 500mg pw which I have deca 300 so about 1.75ml pw. So would i would be looking at 11ml roughly pw divided into bout 4 pinning sessions so around 3ml per session. Does that look a lil easier?
That makes more sense for the goal brother... take a look at the cycle example i posted below before you decide...... these are only suggestions bro please dont think i am trying to force you into anything,the more you see the more you learn... at the end of the day it all boils down to personal preferance ok
I really appreciate that my man! I have everything on hand to run that. So what I will do is start out a lol slow to see how I react then up dosages if everything is running smoothly ill bump them up from there. Sound good?
Sounds good bro.... have fun and dont get to big lol
I am very excited to put some nasty mass on haha! I might hit you up on a good macro split. But mainly going to eat anything and everything in sight except sweets or foods with high fat high carb mixed. I'm going to aim for a 40/40/20 split up.
Well you could run deca but I think you'd get better gains with tren. Tren's ability to improve feed efficiency will be very effective with the increased hunger from EQ. and like viking said - run Drol to kick!!!
drol shits on turanabol and dbol alll dayy!! lol
BOOM..X2 thats my thinking brother, 3 heavy bulkers that will give him desired results.
Agreed! I loooove drol! Ran it for my ebc prep. But I would completely agree on the tren but...haven't run tren yet so I didn't want to throw in tren e and be all crazy for a couple weeks. I was going to throw tren a in at the end of my cycle for 4-6 weeks to see how I react then run tren e next cycle. I'm sure ill be fine but I wanna be extra careful if you know what I mean. But if I run deca it will be the last 12-14 weeks of this cycle and I won't be able to run tren a. I blast n cruise so I won't need a kick start of prop and I could run tren a at the beginning to see how I react and if all is well ill just throw in tren e a drop the deca.
think i remember reading one of your posts where you said you like to kick and taper with shorts whenever possible...does that apply here? or with an all out bulk would you just run the longs then drop back into your cruise?
If not wanting to keep "the look" veins etc i would just run longs bro... i run the shorts in more of a maintenance stack,... in this case hes asking for all out bulk.... i would be looking at something like this.....
Test - 2 grams (mixed long esters e or c and sust )
Tren E - 1 gram (min) or deca if not a tren lover
EQ - 1000/1200
DROL kicker - 6wks @ 100mg ED split or split it up and run it for 2wk on 2wk off throughout cycle to get full effectiveness.
Dosage can be split up and shot 3x times pr wk for ease of pinning... everything run for 20wks due to no pct needed then slip back to cruise...... simple and effective.
THE POST TITLE SAYS BULK CYCLE..... THIS IS WERE IM COMING FROM ..NOT SLIGHT BULK WITH A TIGHT FINISH..... THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT CYCLE ALTOGETHER.
Wow thats alot of gear! shouldnt need this much gear to run a bulker, not at the stage he is at.
Thanks viking, your knowledge is always appreciated!
Awesome, im running that, just dbol instead of drol, and only 500 deca
Have you ever ran anadrol? For me I actually get less bloating on drol than dbol and I feel great on it. It also adds mass like no other. really if you have ancillaries youll be good with drol
if you do run it I'd do weeks 1-6 at 75mg per day split into 3 doses of 25mg. THe 3x a day vs 2x a day will help reduces sides like bloating.
Both cycles look slightly messy to me.
Cycle 1
+) Why run prop throughout the 20 weeks?
+) For bulk, i would bring the dose of test closer to EQ.
+) I would personally run deca instead of NPP for your bulking goals.
+) Dbol kicker imo.
+) Front-load the EQ.
Cycle 2
+) Why run test e + c?
+) Front-load the EQ.
+) Switch the NPP for deca.
Alternate Cycle Suggestions:
Option 1
Week 1-4 Tbol 50mg/ED
Week 1-4 Test Prop 150mg/EOD
Week 1-20 Test E 900mg/wk
Week 1-12 Deca 500mg/wk
Week 9-20 EQ 600mg/wk (front-loaded 2 weeks)
(Week 21-23 Test Prop 100mg/EOD)
Option 2:
Weeks 1-4 Tbol 50mg/ED
Week 1-4 Prop 150mg/EOD
Weeks 1-12 Test E 600mg/wk
Weeks 1-20 EQ 600mg/wk (front-loaded for 2 weeks)
These are the two suggestions i have based on your goals, current experience and stats.
these are much better planned out cycles. all that stuff up there is to much.
Sweet! Thank you for the update. The reason I was thinking of prop for 1-20 is cuz what I had in stock. And for the two esters from the research I have done and experiences I read about the body tends to react better with different esters. But could just be here say. I do like the cycle #2 layout. I like the fast in and out for npp instead of the undecanoate(wrong spelling)ester. Do you think it would still be ok to run the npp instead of the deca?
Ok good reasoning. (Nandro Phenyl-Propionate/Nandrolone Deconate). I've updated cycle option 2.
Option 2: Updated
Weeks 1-4 Tbol 50mg/ED
Week 1-4 Prop 150mg/EOD
Week 1-4 NPP 150mg EOD
Weeks 1-12 Test E 600mg/wk
Weeks 1-20 EQ 600mg/wk (front-loaded for 2 weeks)
Hell ya! Thanks for the help brother! Looks good to me! How did the front load of eq go for you?
how much mass are you trying to put on?
i see pure mass now...cycle 2 for sure, tbol kick for 6 weeks then close with npp
Changed cycle #2 to the tbol kick start and npp finisher.
Lol a shit ton of mass I'm back up to 187lbs now at 8% bf and I am shooting for 210 + bf doesn't matter too much. I have over 12 months to worry bout cutting it off. So my prep cycle will be much more focused on lean gains and cutting bf%. But I like your idea of a kick off with tbol and finish with npp.
nice we are at the same weight with the same goal haha =)
Cycle 2. But why cut out the eq??
Just saw I didn't have it on there lol. It's on now at 900mg with a 2:1 ratio.
i think once you're going with the high dosages u might as well up the eq to 1200
Agreed. I got enough to do it so I figure I midnight as well I will revise. We got our self a motivator partner then lol. You throw me some motivation ill throw you some. Ill be starting in 3 weeks
Awesome, im just over 3 weeks into mine, we are gonna be fucking monsters by the end of this, no doubt about that.