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Hey guys,
I've been floating around for awhile but still yet to commit to my first cycle.
So thought I would start a post to hear what the experienced guys did for their first cycle, how it went and what they would change or what they would recommend for myself and any other newbies lurking around.
Cheers
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Hey mate. Plenty of good advice in here for you. Good to see you seeking advice for your first run as well. There is a few ways you can do a first cycle. I'll briefly explain my first and then the other way.
I was shit fucking scared if sticking myself with a needle. It was actually Walla who gave me this advice standing in the middle of the fkn desert in 40 degree heat. He advised me to use short esters. This would force me to get comfy with pinning myself and also help develop multiple pin sites. So I ran test p and npp 50mg eod (every other day) of each compound. I gained 12kg in as many weeks. So if your scared of needles I'd suggest something similar, because by week two I was past the fear.
If you'd rather not pin that often, and want to use a long ester compound, then use test e @ as low dose as possible. Most guys say @ 500mg per week as that is double what a cruise dose is. However I agree with keeping your doses as low as possible for all your cycles. I'd suggest strarting at 300mg per week of test e for 4 weeks, then if your handling it ok and managing the sides ok (oily skin, ego boost, etc) up the dose to 500mg for the remaining 8 weeks. Remember that a higher number in dose means shit unless your food and training is focused. The right food, at the right time will do wonders, the gear will simply help speed up the process. What's your maintenance calorie intake and what intake are you aiming at fir your cycle.
Unsure on why you want to throw the proviron in. It's a very useful oral, but for your first run not really needed. However if you do choose to run it, your dose is correct.
Pharma pct where ever you can find it mate. Do you know your pct protocol correctly? Can you tell please man? No trying to flame you, just want to hear you say it so I know you've got it down pat.
Also do you kniw correct injecting protocols as well mate? This is something often overlooked for first timers. However it's very critical. Foreign bodies in your muscles with cause infection fast.
Hahahaha I forgot about that Banga. And hasn't it worked. I remember you telling me latter on. There's nothing like feeling that steel sink into your skin Hahahaha
Mate! I was shaking like a leaf eod for a week when it was pin time hahahahaha now I fkn love sinking the steel in..... I love the feel, the feel of the steel hahahahaha
Hahaha that's it mate.
Hey bro.
Appreciate the reply mate!
Its got me thinking now maybe I should look at prop instead of test-e. I was of the understanding that test-e is a lot more beneficial than prop, but I wasn't aware that was mostly just due to not wanting to pin as often (I did know prop was pinned a lot more often tho)
I'm currently trying to cut as much excess fat as I can before I start, so I'm down to only 2200 - 2400 cal at the moment, considering I'm driving trucks at the moment I use very little energy apart from 30 mins cardio a day. Weight training every 2nd.
Once I start on the gear I will be aiming for 3500 cal and still doing some cardio as my bf isn't as low as I would like.
I have been watching some pinning videos still nervous as fuck about it though aye!!
Pct I had planned to start two weeks after last pin? (On test-e) running clomid and tamoxifen.
be all nervous then stab it..once in aspirate-little bubble of air should rise then go for it..if blood then start again..you will go auto after a few..i stab aspirate then look at the tv while slowly injecting.
once done..makes like a air locking noise or pop i keep it in for further 30 sec or so then take it out and lay the alchy swab over the top like a razor blades cut for a few minutes-done...thats on a good day..on the run..the same minus the waiting around parts or swobbing..dont be like me as others have seen doctors scalpuls from being sloppy..ive just been lucky is all with the lazy/fast ways!
Cheers mate!!
No problem mate. First cycles are usually the hardest. Guys have no first hand knowledge and some things can be confusing. I'm no expert but more hen happy to help where I can.
So you understand the difference between test p and test e? You understand how they are different esters and why injection frequency is different for the two?
Sounds like your already thinking about your food wich is excellent, keep it as clean as you can driving mate. Very sedentary job, so clean will be the key
Yea makes it hard being on the road 24/7 and I run interstate so basically never home to meal prep etc.
all good though running a calorie count app (measuring macros aswell) and managing to find a way to hit my targets most days.
Yea I understand test p is in and out of your system a lot quicker hence needed to inject more,
Guess the question is which is going to get me the best results?? considering I'm not here to fuck spiders so extra pinning can be disregarded in the equation!
left side.delt-thigh-butt
right side.delt-thigh-butt
6 sites to break in via fresh muscle.get that out of the way!
each of these sites are at 2ml max by the good book..ive loaded up on 3ml on each and im still a cunt!
all the best with initial pain..short ester test prop was my proper introcuction lol...love that shit!
As well as ventrogluteal. Probably the best site when you get it right, but the worst if you get it wrong. Hurts like a bitch ifnyoundont get it right hahahahha. I almost had to get wheelchaired off a plane when I stuffed it up. Hahahaha could barely walk. But when you hit the spot it's smooth as silk
Exactly right mate. But throw in left and right lats and boom your set.
Alright guys so I know I'm probably going over board with asking this but just wanna make sure I get this right and get everything I need!
Looking at going with 101 pharmacy with the following order
1m x 250mg pharma grade test-e x 24 (allowing for 500mg a week)
50 x 25mg Zydex pharma Proviron x 1
30 x 20mg pharma grade Nolvadex/tamoxifen x 1
24 x 50mg Clomid pharma grade x 1
Anything else?
Cheers for the replies,
Add pharma arimidex or run 20mgtamoxifen daily throughout cycle. I had great experience with all 101 gear but the Zydex proviron, probably underdosed.
I love the compound so if you can find pharma go with it otherwise the pharmacom version is also good, 101 stocks it.
You can get the pharma PCT stuff through online pharmacies too, might save you some money.
You got a domestic that stocks quality and can guide you
I do?
Yes.look.plain as day!
Yep cheers buddy, no pharma grade available but will see how things go. Cheers
My first ever cycle was testoviron started off 1ml a week then went to 2ml a week was only on it for 4-6 wks then my mates dogged out I stuck to it done about 8wks had to learn to jab myself and done no pct, my recommendation's definitely pct I found I liked 2ml a week but my gear back in those days was fairly tampered with
Test e.pharma grade-dont skimp
Pct-all pharma
Then you know what test/pct feels like
You will make the most gains from a proper dosed pharma grade first cycle run
You will judge the following many cycles done via this proper run.
food
Drugs
Gym
Drugs
Rest
BOOM
Hey bro
Smash it do test tren deca and kick start with dbol and then add gh lol im kidding
The lower the better trust me do 300mgs test e thats it!!! I gained a shit load at that dose. Only up the dose if the current dose anit working anymore. No point of doing 750mgs straight away. 300 Works wonders
Stick with the basics. Just run test E or cyp for 8 weeks to see how your body reacts etc
yea sounds pretty standard advice but I was going to run a little longer after chatting with another guy, so this is what I've come up with?
test e/c- 1-14- 750mgs
proviron - 60 mgs 4-12
pct- clomid-100-100-50-50
nolva - 60-40-40-40-40
monday- 250mgs. wednesday- 250mgs. friday. 250mgs.
Bro if your doing test e.just pin 250mg monday and 250mg Thursday.750mg a week is a bit high for a first cycle.and make sure you run an ai like aromasin or arimidex as well
This. And have adex or asin on hand.