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GearHead 2 days ago
Y'all can flame me if you wish but c'mon guys. We can't have it both ways. If your goal is to be a competitive bodybuilder or powerlifter or even an endurance athlete and you want to take your game up to the point of using PEDS, the you're putting your athletic desires ahead of your health. Let's say you don't even want to compete but you want to be stronger and look better - to the point that you are willing to take roids and slin and the like to facilitate that, don't say in the same breath that you are a health fanatic.

I see this on eroids all of the time and it burns me up. Folk are running all manner of shit - their BP is up, they can't sleep and they post a question on what to do and folk come back with homeopathic remedies like from their dear Aunt Martha.

This is my opinion only which is backed by my experience. STOP BEING DELUSIONAL. I know being delusional makes people feel better about what they are doning to themselves but it is a WICKED LIE.

We take steroids and other chemicals to bet bigger, faster, leaner and stronger and no use of the stuff especially cycle after cycle year after year is good for your health. None of it really is.

I'll take the risk of disagreeing with Flash below -CENSORED ...and yet it is a TABOO topic here we want to hide and not discuss. So be it.

The public part of this website is dedicated to novice and maybe beginning intermediate cycles. The heavy stuff is kept out of the public eye and in PM. But even intermediate cycles are not going to help you be healthier.

I'm just speaking from my heart here brothers, steroid use is not healthy and the longer you do it, the more health problems are gonna eventually crop up unless you are blessed.

Telling yourself you can have a powerful shredded physique and use chemicals to get there and then saying you are a health nut is crazy.

I read the article on the dead bodybuilders. It is factual, it is what it is. But, the wrong reaction would be - only the Olympia level pros that take a lot of gear are at risk. That JUST AIN'T SO. So, I'm safe if I'm not at that level. No you are not safe bro, not at all.

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Roid Noid 3 minutes ago @GearHead
You are more then welcome to talk about this stuff, in the advanced section where people have been cleared to view it and its not in organic view where anybody without an account can view it. This is not the place. Im sure you can understand that
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Greg 21 minutes ago @GearHead
Taboo for a reason and you'll respect that in all forms.

The public part of this website is dedicated to novice and maybe beginning intermediate cycles.
And this is why. The last thing we want is some 19 year old (who claims he's 25) think to himself, "if Gearhead says it's safer that's good enough for me."

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zeb0312 2 hours ago @GearHead
Just like Marcus Rhul said. I don't do this for my health I do it to get big muscules.
Your exactly correct but the pro's do have some what a excuse they make money and it a there life style.
Now the guys in the gym not knowing wtf they are doing taking compounds killing themselves just so they think they look good and walk around all swole up and alot of them have way to much natural natty left to grow need much more food and train harder.
They just do it to do it I guess Idk makes no sense to me there is no productivity come from it. Just my thoughts on what I see alot of where I'm at anyway.

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TheFlash85 1 day ago @GearHead
why would it be a risk disagreeing with me? lol. your opinion, no problem- i agree with you- used correctly- fine, like most things, abused or misused, you can die or go into a coma amongst other things, if some kid uses it without having a clue, doesnt eat or whatever, they can fk up. ill leave it at that, the rest doesnt mean shit too me. + 2

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GearHead 13 hours ago @TheFlash85
Oh, it's just that a long long time ago, you and I would just yell at each other and I respect you bro genuinely and I just don't want to start fighting with you about anything. You bring excellent knowledge to the community and the membership absolutely doesn't need to see the two of us going at it like two pansy ass bitches. LMFAO.

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tonytulo 1 day ago @GearHead
Well put. Now with the taboo you say if done correctly. There lies the problem we have a board full of people who cant correctly diet , let alone run correctly built cycles to fit their goals instead they want bigger cycles to make it easier to obtain their goal when in fact a good fraction don't need any gear at all to obtain their goal. Now back to not knowing how to properly eat. You an I know how important meal timing is with insulin , not just timing but intake, fuck that up and you die. Have watched numerous guys in the gym from young to old go into shock and slip off either to die or suffer quality of life changes. So in a world where many have all the knowledge at their finger tips but cant put together proper cycles , cant diet correctly that is why its a taboo subject. Now im not going to say all here are like this, there are many guys here who know their shit and then some. Its the guys who are new who think they need high dosages , numerous compounds and bodybuilder like cycles to pick up chicks but their diet is a joke and come the weekend they don't hit half the food they do during the week, sloppiness like that with slin is a death sentence, plain and simple its more of an expert like compound which only should be used if your a competitor. I too cannot stand when people say im just trying to be healthy yet they are running all this shit and cramming food and/or starving themselves lmfao. Trying to use performance enhancing drugs to get in shape and be healthy, talk about two double negatives #1 being performance "enhancing" drugs not get in shape supplements #2 to get healthy smh

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GearHead 1 day ago @tonytulo
I can't argue your logic Tony but honestly, I know a lot of people that use censored and I've never known one even to screw it up. I have never seen anybody in the gyms in which I train go into taboo as you have. Maybe if that was part of my experience I would see it as more dangerous than I do. I myself have never had a problem or even a close call with it. By the time u r using you already have your monster card and you are disciplined with being able to time nutrient intake. It's not something the average gym rat should be experimenting with and I can see why you don't want to offer protocols in open forum. What you say makes sense - what always troubles me is the idea that people will get an taboo from an idiot and try it and possibly get into some trouble where there are folk here that have a long experience with it and maybe could save the guy some serious problems. I will say this - those of us that use it have a very different view of it than people that don't.

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Greg 7 minutes ago @GearHead
You obviously get the point and understand the position of this site. SO DROP IT.

You will NOT defend it's use in the open forum.

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kodiakGRRL 13 hours ago @GearHead
By the time u r using slin you already have your monster card and ............
Not true here... how many times do we see youngsters running ridiculous cycles ... using compounds that don't even act synergystically together..

I have seen experienced professionals screw up... I have witnessed hypoglycemic episodes and seen a person wander and stumble confused down a busy thoroughfare .... I have seen some one in a diabetic seizure, experienced users not novice not intermediate users.

We aren't going to save the novice user from making mistakes as others have pointed out they don't even understand how food works, that they can manipulate it with food, much less with a pin ...

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Rustyhooker 14 hours ago @GearHead
Look at how hard it is each day to simply try and direct someone onto the better path with their tren, dtol, dbol, mtren, all in one cycle. With those the op becomes a raging asshole with drippy nipples for not listening. With it, that same dumbass dies. I understand your idea and believe in it too. But until these newbs even try to learn, it's not worth it.

sidenote...join the advanced taboo group. I'll even send you invite. Post in there, as we need that type of learning
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tonytulo 1 day ago @GearHead
Exactly that's the difference between novice people and intermediate people using........a lot of novice guys have got hurt and fucked up. There are not a lot of intermediate bodybuilders here so we keep the talk behind closed doors because in the wrong hands it can kill bro. I know a few intermediate people who have come close to going hypo also , sometimes shit happens. When talking about a lot of the average joes on here with slin protocols at their finger tips how do you think that would work out? Sure some would do it right but quite a few would fuck up and it wouldn't be good. A lot of guys here are using things way before they should with no real idea how to utilize it, throwing slin protocols out there wouldn't be good at all.

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TheFlash85 1 day ago @GearHead
theres heaps of interviews and videos on youtube etc from proper pro body builders what have fucked up using it, one crashed his car because he shot his slin straight after training at gym and got caught in heavy traffic without any food, he fkd up big and got taken by ambulance- he is an actual professional with years of experience using it. and im not talking bout "rich" or "bostin" im talking a real pro, not these fake pros on the forums that talk it all up nd have been there done everything.

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GearHead 17 hours ago @TheFlash85
I'm not familiar with that incident but I can see that happening. You are supposed to bring your carb shakes and post slin food to the gym plus sugar pills for an emergency plus a blood glucose meter. I mean you just can't "wing it."

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Slin Protocol (Draft) and HGH and IGF-1 Lr3

HGH

I only run insulin with HGH. Never by itself. The whole slin cycle is 20-24 weeks. When I run slin I also run IGF-1 Lr3. I do not cycle HGH. HGH is run all year except for a few weeks before a show since for me anyway, GH does cause some sub q bloat so I must come off. Some guys don't have that problem. HGH works for me at about 9 IU per day divided in 3 doses 1) immediately when I wake up 2) early afternoon 3) pre-workout (late afternoon). To be honest, if I run a blood test and I see my T4 impacted from the HGH, I will supplement. Some people don't have this issue, so I always say draw blood and look. The major symptom is fatigue.

Slin

I run slin 3 days a week for the duration of the cycle. So say M, W, F. I pin it 3 times a day on the days I use it one of those times being post-workout. I use 30 IU slin per day (3 x 10 IU shots) although I have worked up all the way to 60 IU with the GH making that work OK. So using log slin (fast acting Humalog or Novalog) - I try to get log but R or Regular (Humulin) is always easily available. Fast acting slin is either UGL in the US or you have a script which I don't have. R insulin is OTC.

So the protocol is (with log - fast acting) - inject slin, wait 5 min, drink shake with 7 g dextrose / per slin IU (70 g) along with 10g glutamine (helps stabilize blood sugar) (I don't use creatine) then 10 min later 60 g of whey isolate (1.5 bottles of ISOPURE for me) then 60 min. later have a protein / complex carb meal - no fat - 50g protein, 50g complex carb. Avoid consuming any fats for 4 hours after the injection.

IGF-1 Lr3

Use 100 mcg IM injection with slin pin immediately post workout into muscles that were trained (for me that's M-F) and first thing in the morning on weekends. Any muscle is fine for weekend IM shots.

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Thank you for posting that!! At least both the advanced gro ups, this can be safely talked about without worries. Just gotta make sure box up top says private.

Question. I'm not yet near the level for slin but maybe someday. Prior big brained folks like Juicinator advised me to start low. Like 5 IU and the carbs like you stated. Plus the hgh equal to slin. Can something lower work? Like 2iu/2 IU ? Or is going low like that nothing more than natural manipulation with carbs?

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I'd agree with the idea of potentially starting lower at something like 5iu. Wouldn't go lower than that personally.

In terms of the hgh level, on a bulk my post workout would be something like 10iu insulin, 5iu hgh followed by IGF into muscles worked that session.

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Appreciate that advice!

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The stance I take with this is simple. There's an over reaction here at eroids to insulin use, it's actually quite difficult to put yourself in serious danger if you have common sense and a reasonable IQ. That comment, however, rules out quite a few already......

Some time ago I spoke with a couple of our mod team who gave the green light for Gearhead and I to give insulin advice to those appropriate only by pm. That has numbered merely two people in my case. I've said no to several.

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you guys can talk about it until your sick of here, please keep in mind that out in the forums ANYBODY can see those posts, dont have to be a member to view that stuff and we could easily have 14 year old kids watching. I mean I was 15 when I first starting hearing about juice and had the internet been around I surely would have searched. We just dont want it out there where people can see it, best to not even put a hint of it out there for them to try and find out more.

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Bro, I didn't join eroids to hurt people or put them in danger.

It surprises me how many folks think they have taken their training and their results up to the point of wanting to use insulin.

I just wanted to have one real life slin protocol on the website that people could get to if they were determined to use slin rather than have them wing it with a google search. There is so much misinformation about it on the public internet that, yes, people could hurt themselves with bad information.

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I understand, we have set policies here for a reason however, and it has to be a one size fits all. If we let you do it everybody that knows anything about it will think its a green light to talk about it, not just on your thread but elsewhere on the site. They will take the information from that thread and parrot it around the site, people will become confused on whats acceptable and what isnt. Until we figure out a way to control that it has to be this way. Thanks for your understanding...

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Until we figure out a way to control that it has to be this way. Thanks for your understanding.

Good luck with that ;) Impossible task I think Noid. Balancing between giving good educated info and stopping the dummies diving in head first. Rather you than me.......

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Advance groups needs this real world advice before we dig in and wing it. The kiddies though are hap hazard.

I hope to see many folks post this type of info. Save dummies like me.

Edit...can gearhead, and flash get invite?

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im sure they can, you got access to PMing people right? lol

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Yessir. I invited gearhead to the taboo group earlier. The more the merrier.