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Last cycle went well so modifying last cycle to observe the changes.
1 - front load mast e 800
2-7 npp 300 split ed for easy pins. Prop in there 4 wks
2-18 eq 750
2-21 mast e 400
2-21 sust/cyp/enanthate 500
22-25 taper
Tne used in cycle for uptake. Going to try 2 pins a day hour before meal.
Provi in cycle.
Peps...Frag 250mcg before bed....cjo 100mcg pwo and lunch time.
End cycle peps hex and cjo 100mcg each 3 times daily with whey.
Pct...All in 1 tabs
Thanks catalyst
updated
Sust 750
Mast 600-----added in week 4 to offset npp drop week 8
Tne....put away.
Thanks for the feedback!!
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RustyhookerThis is the last week of sust and eq. Next week end of mast e. And next week moves into the winny, prop taper. I have mast prop as well.
RustyhookerLowering sust to 500 this week. Holding good weight and losing fat. Added the frag peptides back in before bed.
RustyhookerWeek 6 and mast e kicked in. Low estro, dry non oilly skin. Might bump some prop to raise it a bit.
5th week of npp. Pumps in gym are insane. Recomp is going great! Was going to drop npp but today's gym session was insane.
Post workout I hit my scheduled 250 sust and 40 mg npp. I hit 100 mg prop to offset the low estro.
Looking pretty good but one thing I take issue with and that is the al in one pct. You have all the time in the world to score up some pharma pct gear.
RustyhookerVery understandable and correct. I liked the aro in pct when there was no mast/provi. But it does get estro too low on a low estro cycle.
I have been doing a half of a letro with my half of aromasin (BP) the last week to knock down the little lumps I picked up and frankly ignored for too long. Motherfucker is working tho. Both lumps are way smaller and I haven't crashed. Pinning a ml of sust EOD myself right now. I have been killing it in the gym but I am only in my third week. I have been getting a ton of compliments so something is working lol
RustyhookerNice! Low dose combo working and not feeling like crap.
Sust is nice for the quick pump up. You're lean masses so even couple pounds of glycogen fill will show up nicely. Get spoiled though waking up next morning barely stiff from prior workout.
One thing that has really surprised me unlike every other cycle I have previously done I have had no initial blast of water weight. I have been eating at a damn good clip but possibly a bit too clean to get the calories high enough. I have been leaning down and looking larger but have not gained a pound. Truth be told tho I started this one leaner than any previous run.
RustyhookerSo for you the sust is staying dry. I just ran the vitamin c from second week so haven't felt any puff unless I ate a salty meal. Sounds like you're going to hit new levels bro!
I have also stayed on the Vitamin C and have been much more careful with salt. I slipped up a bit on the salt yesterday and can see it today.
RustyhookerIf I keep up on my daily banana intake the salt isn't bad. Puffy hands and it can be a funky day.
Rustyhooker195 lbs. Fat melting off. Diet is clean. On point as long as freezer stays full. Strength and recovery up high. Npp has me feeling pumped all day long. At gym the pumps are huge. Reminds me of dbol.
Love npp for that. Makes you look nice and full 24/7. With a very strict diet so water retention is minimal I could see it being a nice cutter instead of using tren. No shity tren sides. Maybe with some mast and provi to really stay dry and an oral at the end. Be looking full as hell all the time getting shredded and not being a headcase like I am on tren lol. Could definitely pull off a really nice look with that combo. So many different options to choose from.
RustyhookerBeen strict on foods and feel good. Haven't been pushing strength goals so noticing strength has been back burner. Stronger yes but been going for full pumps with drops etc. Instead of weight.
Haven't had to really worry bout ai either. Mast and provi has me dry skin and sex has been great. 6.25 aro if needed but anything more than once a week hasn't been needed.
Ole Rusty falling in love with the NPP. Stuff makes my pecker grow too lol. The magic of NPP when you drop it week 8 by week 10 you'll drop a little water and it will show all that lean muscle you developed with the NPP will shine. At least give us a glute shot Rusty it's been awhile since I've seen any midget porn.
RustyhookerWifey has been enjoying the added "pump" of vascularity. Lol. Typically she does back flips for the eq in that department but the npp has been nice. Lil more aggression than other gear I've run. Snappy I guess is t h e word. But the recovery in gym and after is impressive. Has the dbol blown out pump feel with that quick recovery like tren does between sets.
I'll see if I can midget porn hookup. Lol! I've got a ghetto butt but if it gets striated....boom! Lol.
So far though I'm on track and it's fun. Fridge is plenty full. I jacked my carbs up and fats dropping too. Clean carbs split through the day. I cheat once in while but not much. Npp or allergies. ....foods all taste bland and unappealing. So I just shovel in the good stuff.
Hope I catch up to you bro. You've posted up pix that push me harder. Thanks!
It's odd how NPP doesn't affect sex drive like deca being that it's the same but just a longer ester. My friend loves NPP but he gets the snappy aggression like you are talking about. I don't get that, I'm laid back even on tren.
I think your appetite might be down because your body is craving salt which you seem to have cut out for good reason. Personally for me I don't monitor my salt intake and I drink plenty of water and my BP is perfect so far. Maybe add some sea salt in on meals and drink plenty of water might get the taste buds stimulated again.
Nitti wrote a good thread awhile back on how important salt is for your body to function at optimal levels.
RustyhookerYou know that's hammer to nail! The temp out here jumped up 20 degrees and upping the salt and water would be key. Upping both keeps the dehydrated bp at bay.
That's freaking great rust happy for you post some progress pics up homey
RustyhookerI doubt I post pix. It doesn't matter if I finish looking stage ready, it'll still be a shit storm.
What do you mean? I think u mean look great but still needs work right if so that's kool I get it
RustyhookerLast August I posted pix. Pressing 390 x 16. Thick as a brick. But since I'm not Mr 6 pack the girlie groupies just talk too much shit. It get old. Not worth the time anymore
Not to be rude but fuck those haters but I get what ur are saying I agree with guitar player
RustyhookerThe fat is melting quickly. If I bust out a 6 pack...I might. Feedback would help to see weak spots.
Hey man as long as your content with yourself. That's all that matters.
RustyhookerAgree! I hope to try middle or light heavyweight in the future. We shall see.
Rusty-
Been thinking about your cycle and had a few questions.
What does adding prop 4 weeks mean. Are you adding test prop for 4 weeks from week 2-6 or from week 4 to 8? How much prop will you be injecting?
What does your injection schedule look like? E3D or E4D?
Not sure what you mean by 300 NPP split ED for easy pins means? You will inject 150 twice a day for 6 weeks?
I would like to chart this to see what the cycle looks like if that's Ok with you?
RustyhookerProp with npp until test levels up. Week 2-4. Test alone should be up enough to not have nor sides with npp overpowering test.
Doses...300÷7=42 mg npp ed. Matching that with prop. 27 gauge slin pins for easy pokes.
Npp dropped week 8. Didn't want the overall total to crash. Mast e added week 4 should start hitting around same time npp is dropped.
Feel free to chart. I don't have laptop so I have to go by basic 4 weeks for buildup ideals. Npp as example when stopped won't just disappear, it'll taper out of the system by half life. Knowing that taper on paper I may adjust mast e timing.
Not sure what your running the mast for but with this stack it seems a little light. I would up it to 600 and definitely run sust all the way up. Are you planning on running 500 of each ester?
RustyhookerOriginally was going to rUn sust at 750 til week 12 then lower so mast/eq harden etc. Add in winny tail end if bf is dropped.
Mast/provi was going with other vets ideas from prior cycle. Last cycle I ran no ai and was overly dry so I lowered mast in this one. But I've got plenty of mast and can easily run it up to any level. 600 would keep me drier in tail end for sure.
Npp is the new one and below the weekly from roids advice fits easily. I've got a ton of 27 gauge pins, npp and test prop.
I thought that's what your plan was. I use Mast and Provi myself. Very effective to a point. Pushing a gram of test a week might be a little much for 400 a week but 750 should be good for what you want to do. I love the stuff. I was thinking you might want to harden up with it as well.
RustyhookerI love mast. Worked great in other cycles to just keep solid. Original post I had my typical lowering of test week 12 to let eq and mast do their thing. But truth was there's a big dip in total hormones by dropping both npp week 8 and test week 12. I'm not trt guy so couldn't add in tren as stated below. The switch that made sense was roids advice on npp timing changes from 4-10 to 2-8. Then if I added in the mast e week 4 it offsets the overall changes.
Basically, my last cycle was awesome and tried to simplify/tweak to still be great and fit it better.
Is that a typo?............. if not how the fk are you pulling ratios?
Pointless to mix test unless you are running a gram+......... stick with straight sustanon in this scenario would be my way of doing this run.
RustyhookerTypo sir. Start with sust then switch. I have enough sust to run full cycle. It'll match the eq esters.
Had questions on the tne though. Was going to use pwo and before big protein meal.
Glad you're back viking!!
Thanks bro.. good to back and alive.
I read below and it seems i was mentioned a few times......... thing is! i cant remember speaking to ANYONE about TNE being used for nutrient shuttling ... and i defo have NOT had any talks with ironjaw about TNE EVER!!
So to keep my name and info clean i will decline from talking about TNE on this thread bro if you dont mind...... nothing whatsoever against you bro, i simply dont want info being misconstrued or my name used in vein.
Best i keep a low profile until i catch up with the workings of the board
RustyhookerNot a worry sir. It was a question I posed from your answer in another post in advanced cycles. I was trying to learn tne more indepth.
Fully understand you not answering.
Thanks man.... i just wanna keep a low profile now, my heady days of pouring info into the board are long gone...... im just here for the camaraderie now brother.... a few laughs and a relaxed approach.
RustyhookerI can appreciate that!! This place is my chatter box. One spot where I can talk about being a gym rat and Noone talking crap.
TNE is not gonna help with uptake of nutrients. Insulin or metiormin will. Vikes purpose for it, was to increase protein synthesis before the big meals. In my opinion it doesnt really make any logical sense. Being on that much gear already your rate of protein synth is already stupid high. The same thing your after with the tne can be accomplished with 5mgs of dbol. I read one time that 5mg of dbol increases protein synthesis by something like 20% or maybe it was even as much as 100%. Im trying to dig up the article but its been years since ive read it. Ill try harder tonight to find the research. We all know MG for MG dbol is stronger then test, and its alot less painful to take a pill then a multiple daily shots of tne. So thats my only suggestion. Either way i think the effects with either tne or dbol will be marginal at best. If your looking for uptake of nutrients you either need 1) Gh+slin 2) real igf-1 ( good luck finding that) 3) metiformin 4) a very advanced knowledge of carb timing and mixes of high and low glycemic carbs to provide maximum spikes of insulin to transport the nutrients to the muscle cells.
With a very advanced knowledge of diet one can obtain better results naturally then guys (who actually know what theyre doing) using steroids. Its all about manipulating carbs and using ones natural insulin at the proper times.
You my friend are a very knowledgable guy, very few will understand what you have just posted, I can tell you have done your homework, very nice. Experience or not this info is on point
RustyhookerCan you explain the tne theory? Short life. Simple load cells with nutrients. Vike mentioned multi pins followed with big meal and mass added quickly.
We know dbol is great for nitrogen retention. And of course spikes in natural insulin.
Thanks man, means alot coming from you. I got some questions for you I'm gonna shoot you a pm soon.
Is that right.
Who are you to discredit someone with 30 years experience of national standard body building? Everything you come out with is either from your university text books or Google. Who do you think people will listen to, you or Viking? You know I know the guy right? Trust me, he has credibility outside of an Internet forum.
You have limited experience in this sport, you need to remember that.
Yes thats right, thats my opinion on the matter. I didnt say anything about vikings ideas being wrong, you just wanted to jump down my throat so you didnt take the time to read my post throughly. Rusty said he was using TNE to help uptake of nutrients during big meals. I spoke with viking specifically on this subject and his main reasoning behind this was to dramatically increase protein synthesis during big meals, not to help with nutrient uptake. Im sure tne helps a little with that but if thats the main goal (which according to what viking told me it it wasnt ) a transport hormone would be necessary I.e insulin or metiformin. And then i stated MY OPINION or other potential option since hes already on a ton of test instead of jabbing yourself with some painful ass gear 2 times everyday. that the same thing can be accomplished by taking a small amount of dbol pill before these meals as dianabol is know for nitrogen retention and a dramatic increase in protein synthesis from just 5-10mgs ed.
Who the fuck do you think i would listen to, myself, or viking? Viking, Who do you think help build my fall cycle? Viking. So stop trying to act like a douche. Thats not what eroids is about. I know exactly how much experience, and its not a crazy amount by any means. 99% of what I say comes from personal experience, or logical thinking. But for example one of the few drugs ive never used anadrol, it doesnt take a fucking genius to understand the pharmacology of the drug, read about its profile, understand the side effects, read the experiences of a bunch of user, and then when someone comes along stating they wanna run 150mgs for 8 weeks the first time i feel comfortable enough saying I think you should start with 50 for 4-5 weeks and go from there. Do I need to run 150mgs of the drug to tell someone They shouldn't? No I dont. Have doctors had every diesase they treat? Highly doubt it. But they tell people what to take etc. And ive messed with most compounds at this point. So I chime in when I think I can add some valuable information, and when its something I know nothing about I dont say a word. And thats how i will always be.
Bottom line is real life experience beats book knowledge all day everyday. Its pretty sad but I would probably do 99% of what viking told me despite how crazy it is. And I'm doing some of that shit now that most of you would disagree with.
And for the record, my university textbooks are 100% factual and accurate........until they come out with a new edition 2 years later contradicting everything they said in the last version lol. Im not here to argue with you man, you being doing this a lot longer then i have. So lets drop this.
It's the way you put stuff across Iron. I'm not jumping down your throat in the slightest, I'm just finding the way you discredit what others say a little tiresome. If I was it would be much less subtle I promise.
My observation - You're coming across as a bit of a "know it all" and a touch condescending, (like your lengthy response to me above). Maybe unintentionally. Take from that what you will, something positive to learn from, nothing, Catalyst is a prick etc, I don't know, that's down to you.
My apologies bro. I think it has alot to do with the gear. Im noticing these hormones fuck with my head bad. Its about the only side effect I get. And like I said I was not discrediting viking, who the fuck am I to do so? I know my place. I was just giving my opinion on a potential second less painful option. I have to work on the know it all thing. Its not intentional. But what I'm gonna take from this is that you're prick. Totally kidding man, you handle these situations like an adult while I handle them like a hard headed know it all 25 year old.So telling me this is helpful. I think its best if i just stop talking all together. I seem to always come across as either cocky, an asshole, or a know it all.
RustyhookerDbol is crazy for nitrogen retention. Tne is so short acting, looked at that route. Lotta orals issues lately too where tne is or isn't strong.
Wish viking was here to fill in the info.
What do you mean by "Lotta orals issues lately too where tne is or isn't strong" I can't even begin to decifer that statement it makes no sense lol
RustyhookerMany orals have been hit or miss. Meaning, my last batch I ran I got straight out of a veterinary shop. 15 mg split added strength like crazy. 160lbs and 725 for legs was cake. Guys on here with some of the brands are starting at 50 mg per day and not having any issues. I've currently got balkan and pharma con dbol. That's supposedly 2 top brands. In the future, I'll get hearts.
Tne...you know if tne is strong from the get go. The brand I have, my palms reek and I taste it strong in under 10 minutes. Hour later I'd better be on my wifey or the gym because something fun is going off. Lol!
I won't run slin. I have access to all the slin I want, both fast and long lasting. But, I'm not ever ifbb Olympian. Hcg needs to be run with that or I'll look like a fat oompa loompa. I won't buy generic garbage and can't afford pharma plus raise 4 teens. Lol.
Ya I figured that's what you meant. Luckily I stocked up on some hearts and pink Thais so I have enough for a few cycles. 15mgs was strong, 30 was all you need. Viking had me running 100mg ed lol, that lasted like a week before it totally destroyed my appetite. Not sure if the gains were much better at 100 either.
But all the Balkan orals lve ran so far have been great. Currently using their proviron and anavar and it's a great combo. I have some drol and dbol on hand so will see how those stack up next winter.
And ya you cannot run insulin without gh. I tried lol. Wasn't pretty. Only lasted about 4-5 days on my last cycle and that's when I gained all my fat. But put the two together and it's magic.