Bulk - British style!
Once I get my arm out of this poxy sling I'll be getting myself ready for a decent bulkier come October / November time depending on how recovery goes. This isn't anything pioneering, but will give you an idea of how I'd run this, quite a classical British way of running a test / deca cycle.
Wk 1-16 test e 750mg / wk (m w f)
Wk 1-16 test c 750mg / wk (m w f)
Wk 1-16 sust 750mg / wk (m w f)
Wk 1-14 deca 1g / wk (m w f)
Wk 1-16 mast e 400mg / wk (m w f)
Wk 1-18 proviron 50mg ed
Wk 19 - PCT
Oral (Bol or drol), 2wks on 2wks off. Dose depends on how lucky I get with the crap orals that dominate the market these days.......
TNE - preworkout
Mast and proviron purely for estro management. I'll have AI on hand as thus is borderline where I could need it, especially with the TNE. Caber also on hand, unlikely I'll need it unless the deca is over dosed.
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Sorry mist read Tren-e for TNE. Primo just seems like one of those compounds that was only good back in the day. Expensive as shit and you have to run it for ever it seems like.
I did the math to run i think 600mgs of bayer primo for 12 weeks. 850 bucks, just for the primo. Cant even come close to affording that.
RustyhookerThe cost kills any possible curiosity i have. Lol! Couple guys swear by primo but their diet and bf are always point perfect.
I havnt used primo for ages now............ the girls still get great results from it though!..... you are correctbro, if diet is off its a waste of good gear like always.
RustyhookerMorning tne pin, 50Mg var, 50Mg provi, 100g oats, 50g whey/coffee. Mixed dextrose 30mins pwo and huge pumps. 1000Mg vit c every morning. 50g whey post workout. 30mins had meal.
Thanks!
Glad thats working for you bro............ little tips are usually the best i think when someone is looking for that little extra help to re-fire the pistons :0
Sounds like TNE justs needs that bit longer in your body to get the kick from it..... im the same bro i need 2 hours plus pre/wout for it to spark up/
Yup 2 hours was perfect for me. I had water based Balkan so I thought I could get away with 45mins preworkout. Didn't kick till I got back from the gym and I was all amped up in my room at midnight lol. Yesterday day I did it two hours pre and my leg workout was insane. 2 hours seems perfect.
RustyhookerI used to hit carbo force half hour pwo. Had a bigger boost in energy and duration. Winter bulker will run this new tne method. Might just take a lil longer with tne because the oil. Suspension maybe better choice for pin n lift. I get up really early so just needed tips on loading. Appreciate it!
Na I thought the same thing about thewater based. Still took 2 hours to kick in. It's such a pain to shoot to. It clogs the needle and you have to push so hard that when it finally unclogs it all goes in at once really fast and hurts like a bitch. No pip the next day just some burning for a few seconds when an entire ml goes into your muscle in a half second. Gonna try heating it today.
Maybe one day I'll try it. It's a little more affordable if you use Balkan and id trust them. But still I feel like I could get to the same level of conditioning with mast and winny or even var. Primo is just another dht derivative which is great for contitioning but so is mast and winny and even var. I don't see myself competing anytime soon so I can pretty mjch get to where I wanna be bf wise with prop and var. I'm sure if I was way above my genetic potential I would need some more gear to prevent muscle loss but I'm not. But there must be something about primo if guys dish out the money for it.
RustyhookerAnd if the brands good you've got no worries.
I normally split it into 2 sites just in case. As it's only mon / wed / fri pinning that works fine.
I've never put more than 4ml into a glute but I imagine it would certainly take it.
May i suggest you get some testosterone acetate and some testosterone undeconate so you really have all the esters covered lol. Kidding, looks like a sick bulker to me. I would checkout 24hreup for orals. 500 March pham dbol for 95, 1000 thai anabols for 145, or if you want drol he's got the British dispensary androlics for a good price or anapolans.. Or you could just go balkan, I'm yet to hear anything bad about them.
Thanks for the tip on 24. Got some Balkan dbol kicking around in the stash somewhere but not a great quantity.
Nice........... i have this set-up just tapering out right now.......
sust...... 2800
deca ....1000
bold......1200
mast.......300
provi.......100 because its such high test
Parabolan has just been fired up to ramp into the 19 drop from the deca then when the half lives on the stack are at around 4/5 days i will transfer to shorts.
I may push the provi up a little due to the TNE, possibly 75mg ed.
Is this your run for your upcoming contest?
lol.... no bro this is the bulk im just winding up.............. when the shorts start is the comp prep.
lol, nice.
RustyhookerI wasn't impressed with tne pwo. Tried different doses too. Had better focus/pumps from good orals. It jyst loaded up water. Is there a better way than pwo? As in carb/protein loading?
40-75pwo. 1.5hrs pwo
you must be really prone to holding water i think.......... hit TNE at 100+ mgs and make up a cocktail of effervescent VitC and dextrose..... hit the TNE 1.5/2.0 hours pre/wout and drink the coctail half hour before you do the first set in the gym......... see how you go.
2000mgs vit C..... 10gram dextrose to start............ increase dosage as you progress.
RustyhookerWill do!! I probably hold water easier because i am not lean cut. Thanks!
I tend to use 100-150mg 60-90 mins pwo. Have also used it twice per day with a big protein consumption meal (100g+) an hour after the later pm injection.
Orals don't seem to do a lot for me these days. I think it's down to quality. Last really good orals I had were some 5mg BDisp dbol that came from a source that disappeared soon after they arrived.
RustyhookerLast orals i ran were pharma dbol or Winny. I'll have to see how it gies then this winter. Balkan dbols and dragon dbol.
Looks like tne then is better as a "loading agent" ? I took it with 1500 cals high in proteins. What did you do for the water load? I was low estro, no ai with mast/provi but the water load had habds puffy. Vit a at 1000 seemed to keep it in check. Better route?
Vit c for me. Don't tend to hold a lot of water though.
Vit A is worthless .............. Vit C is what you need.
Fast carbs will give the BIG pump not protein................ hit protein post workout with BCAAs.
RustyhookerHit wrong key. Lol! Yes, the vit c has kept tne days easier.
Same question as Carlos about the E @ C. I was also gonna ask if Mast a Provi was enough to handle the estro flares from TNE til I saw the last sentence. TNE is the only thing that's given me almost immediate estro problems. Whenever I pin TNE I have to hit the adex that night.
I've done this exact same run before, no AI, no caber. The TNE is the one to watch. I'm not gyno prone and I work in a lab so have immediate access to pathology to check. 90% sure I'll not need any AI.
I notice also you're hitting your longs 3x a week. Is that just because of the amount of oil you're pinning?
Pretty much. Convenience too, I'm pinning the sust so while I'm at it......
Makes sense, I didn't figure you were running any type of blend. I for one don't trust those, and I like to be in control of my ratios.
I don't do blends, (other than sust), no control over ratios.
AnonDefinitely go anadrol. It's synergy with Deca IMO is otherworldly. It's that straight Thor shit. I just stocked up on some Drol and got more coming. Shit and I'm sitting on Blue Hearts too. And they're killer but Drol hands down wins with Deca IMO.
Gotta ask why both E and C? Why not bump the Sust and stick with one of the singles? God I love Sust. I'm running a good Test E right now and I gotta admit it's still not popping like Sust does with me. I know it's mostly mental but when you see or notice small differences good or bad you take notice.
I like the extra few days half life with using both esters, but in reality would I really notice? probably not. One of those "done it this way before" situations. Interesting idea on the sust, I've got a stack of high quality sust so could easily do it, might be interesting to try. I'd usually go for drol as well, works better in my case than dbol. Just going to have to watch the drol boost making me get too carried away and destroying the shoulder again as a result!
U guys must be machines I've tried anadrol once and it made me so aggressive I had to back off it. I literally wanted to kill everyone lol
Doesn't do that in my case. Only drug that has ever had that effect on me is halo.
It did me I mean I loved it in the gym. I was destroying the weights but Damn outside of the gym couldn't keep my temper In check. Had people I've known my whole life asking me what my deal was so I had to back off. Iv stayed away from halo for the same reason. I have a bad temper and been to jail for fighting numerous times so I try and keep myself melo nowadays.my son has slowed me down a lot