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I've got a bulk planned for this winter. I've been playing around with different scenarios and talking with a couple guy in PM. Here's what I'm looking to do.

Prop 100 mg Eod Weeks 1-4
NPP 75 mg Eed Weeks 1-4- Edit
Test 750 mg Weeks 1-14- Edit
Deca 500 mg Weeks 1-13
Provi 50 mg Weeks 1-14
Drol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, being a total of 6 weeks on.

A/I and DA's on hand. Now the weeks are just what I had in mind so feel free to adjust. One thing I was considering was running Prop throughout the entire cycle but lower it to 50 mg Eod after discontinuing NPP. I was thinking of doing this so I could keep a closer ratio with the Test and Deca. I have exp with all the compounds except nandrolone. I've ran Tren A and E and had no prolactin or ED issues. I feel a taper will be needed with this also. So looking for the best way to come off the longs into taper. I know traditionally you'd want to stop the deca 2 weeks before the Test, but that's without the taper.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Noid is right so i will keep this short and sweet................ all i would change would be add a prop taper........ Drol ran 2x2 will keep it working for the full cycle without allowing the usual drol bloat, instead of bloat you will create fullness in the muscle bellies due to water being held IM instead of SubQ which is the usual case when drol is ran without the short breaks.

Strive hard to ram down 5000 + minimum calories pr day constantly adding 500 cals pr week for the full cycle and you will grow for sure with this.... get lazy with the calories and you WILL plateau .

Dont run this then do what the numb heads do and aim for a cutter next............ RINSE AND REPEAT the bulking process until the desired weight is gained.

NO frontload needed due to being ON from day one with the shorts ramp.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Good deal. I'm gonna really concentrate on my food intake. Getting a half a beef this year so I'll be set on red meat. And trust me a cut will not be happening, lol I'm gonna try my hardest to put on 10 lbs before this. I'm hoping to start this weighing around 220.

irongame427's picture

Instead of bulking before the cycle might I suggest the concept of priming. I've done it by accident before and holy shit did I blow up. Basicay what it means is going straight from a slight deficit, or cut or even Maintance into a bulk. It's the most anabolic environment possible. Afte the olympia eveyone takes a month or two off bit not dorian, he knew about this and would be back in the gym tje next week. Do a little reaearch on it. Like I said I did it unknowingly once and god damn dude I blew the fuck up. It was crazy. I plan on doing the same thing for my upcoming cycle. Idk when yours is planned but if starting 6 weeks befor is all you need.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

I'll check that out. Make sense, if I start trying to bulk now I might fizzle out when my cycle starts.

irongame427's picture

Exactly, and I'm assuming your natty right now, or trt dose at most? So if your cycle starts in 2-3 months you gonna gain what 4lbs of muscle maybe. It's not like your a 140lne beginner you got some size on your frame. Instead of doing that and gaining 2-4lbs of muscle you follow thisi protocol and gain 10 more then you would of you didint. Maybe that's an exaggeratio, bjt not by much. When I did it I gains a pound a day for the first 14 days and I wasn't on a wet compound like anadrol. It was crazy.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Yep still PCT. No TRT for a long time if I can help it. Where can I read up more on this?

irongame427's picture

Alright so this article goes into great depth. I never was this serious about this. Th basic concept is spending about 6 weeks leading up to it in a slight deficit. Not a full on cut or anything, just enough to drop a little fat and deplete glycogen stores and drop some water. You need to be really careful tho since your just finshing a cycle. I'm assuming you have about 3-4 months off after your cycle so I wouldn't start this until 6 weeks before your next cycle. Gotta give your body time to get used to this new muscle and let your test levels normalize. Depending on how much time your taking off it might not even be wise to do it. Read this article and you could also google "priming before a cycle" and there's tons of stuff on it. Pm me if you wanna talk more.

http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/musclechemistry-discussion/45842-p...

Rustyhooker's picture

One of the ebc competitors did a rebound. First ebc was 8week cutter so he dropped down to 192 i believe. Then hit ebc bulker and blasted up to 230. Start weight was like 210. He finished hard and solid. He said it was hard on his system but the gains were wild.

irongame427's picture

Damnnn those are crazy gains. I didnt even know about this phenomenon. It was my first cycle I did a ton of reading before so i knew i couldn't cut during pct or for a few months after and I had some fat I wanted to lose so i decided to do a small like 8 week half ass cut before the cycle started. And holy shit man I blew the fuck up on that cycle. I honestly dont even think i lost very much fat during this cut it was so half assed it was mostly water glycogen. I dropped like 8lbs or so and when the cycle started i gained iike 18lbs effortlessly and then went on to gain 30 total. For this ebc I'm not gonnna be doing it like that guy your talking about. Ill be cutting very very slightly naturally before my cycle. Just a real small deficit with some fasted cardio in the morning. Just enough to keep slowly dropping fat and keep my glycogen stores low so when i get on and start eating with all the hormones i just explode.

Rustyhooker's picture

You'll know quickly when first two Weeks glycogen load has you feeling fresh outta the gym all day. Good luck on the ebc!! It'll push you to higher levels.

My next run will be wet stack. I gotta get the fascia stretch happening to allow more mass. 190-95 looks good on my frame but theres plenty room for more.

irongame427's picture

It's crazy that you maintain that kinda weight at your height without cruising and then you got guys at 6'1 at the same weight talking about losing there gains during and after pct lol. Good luck with your next run man your gonna be even more of a monster.

Rustyhooker's picture

If i keep foods in line i can hold weight. Last 6months was rugged with injured dogs and layoffs. Back up and running! Trying to do what i enjoy Smile

irongame427's picture

Nothings worse then injuries. I fucked up both my shoulders over in november and was out till mid january. Lost like 15lbs man it was awful. All i could thing about was the gym. did alot of legs tho. Really changed the way i train on chest and shoulders. I dont go below 8 reps anymore and i go as high as 15 sometimes 20. Dropped the weight by alot and do very slow and controlled reps and squeezing the hell out of it at the top. And wouldn't you know, my chest has exploded and Ive been injury free ever since (know on wood). It sucks lifting lighter weights but at the end of the day I'm not in this for strenght. And i get better results this way.

Rustyhooker's picture

The npc guys at my gym hit a lot of push til fail with spots. Not that heavy either. Hit it n go type of day and thick as a wall.

Today a tall lean dude asked to work in with me. Athletic build but not at all big. He was pushing 6 plates right with me on decline. Was a good day.

Roid Noid's picture

1st time deca your gonna want to run the test higher(which is what i would do) or the deca lower. I got a few other things that i see but im gonna let this thread unfold and go hit the gym.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Ok, So either or would be a better idea then running Prop throughout the entire cycle? Whatever is most practical is what I'm looking for. What dose of Deca do you feel is effective for muscle building? I was thinking at least 400. So probably 750 Test 500 Deca then and drop the Prop throughout?

Roid Noid's picture

Some people are more susceptible to deca sides. I'm fine at the 750/500 ratio. If it don't work for you drop deca to the 400mg/w. Same problem exists with your kickstart. Drop NPP to at least 75mg/d.

What's the idea behind your oral?

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Ok, I was thinking cycling the orals would be less stress on the liver and I was curious to see what it would do to run it later in the cycle when Test and Deca was in full swing. 2 on and off with six on I would be done after 10 weeks if my math is correct so I wouldn't be ending cycle with it. If you think that's overcomplicating things then I'll stick with the traditional beginning. I thought about Dbol but it really balloons me compared to Drol. And I feel I get more from a workout with Drol.

Roid Noid's picture

my experience is that i like an oral after the injects kick a lot better then as a kickstart. ive started several oral cycles in the past when i ran orals more frequently at week 3 when the synergy of everything was coming together. my experience later on in the cycle was that i dont notice a lot of difference and that why I just use orals periodically throughout the later end of the cycle as a preworkout.

but this is the advanced section and you need to learn some of your own experiences, run it how how want and find out what you like. I dont see anything in there that is gonna hurt you.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Yea I was thinking with oral kickers it's almost like an oral only cycle. You got the test in the background but it's probably just building levels enough to keep up with the suppression of the oral. Unless you got prop in there also.