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750 test c
200 mast e
500 deca
400 tren e
150 tren ace EOD blasts every other 4 weeks
Orals
25mg proviron daily
Adrol 100mg pre work out only.
Nolvadex 40 mg occasionally, it's obvious when it's needed..
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AnonOk so Ive not cruised for long in the past 2 years, I'll be honest.
I've run hcg twice in the past 2 years for about a month each time.
I was on the 150 tren ace eod and had 400 tren e building up along with 500mg deca and about 1.1g test and some mast and adrol in me and yes,
she is now pregnant.
So yeah. We've all heard the tales of pregnancy on big cycles with long blasts and cruising for a few years...now you all know someone who has accidentally gotten a girl pregnant. It's me, Tbone. You can't stop this meat. I've literally never pct'd. The hcg was to pump my nuts back up aesthetically, and help with other minor issues.
I hope it's a girl. I've got 2 boys..I need a daughter. Boys are nuts.
Congrats! Makes me think twice about using my cycle as a contraceptive!
AnonThanks! We both wanted more kids eventually so I just sent those boys home unprotected lol for 6-8 months though...but yeah, obviously not effective birth control. I knew that though, just didn't do anything about it.
What's your take on running blasts and having children? No judgment from me at all, I know there are lot's of fathers on here. It's just I know a few of my friends who don't even run test because they're afraid of harming their health in any way now that they have kiddos running around.
AnonWell as long as my mental health and physical health isn't deteriorating I'll keep on trucking. I'm due for some blood work here soon actually. My blood pressure is still great for a blast and I donate blood, I'd never let the kids see me pin anything obviously..so it doesn't really bother me at all I guess.im a very loving guy in real life, and we don't yell in my house, the kids get to go to school and we go on trips as a family so I really don't see any negatives besides me trimming 10 years off my life if I keep going. I've only been back on gear for two ish years actually, did a few dumb things when I was younger, but yeah, I'm comfortable with my choices.
That's really good to hear about the healthy household. I grew up with constant chaos that took and is still taking time to work thru. immeasurably valuable to teach kids what healthy dynamics look like, and that they are worthy of accepting nothing less.
AnonDropped the tren e a week ago, got bronchitis and took the week off, today on my first day back I hit a squat rep PR and a deadlift PR lol
Guess I needed a break!
Heartburn and trapped gas/indigestion is almost gone already, it was making eating too hard without having a good side effects program dialed in yet. I'll try again.
For now I'll just blast tren a in a couple weeks for probably 6weeks? 50-75mg a day maybe?
Might run HCG after that blast for a month or two, let the boys fill back up lol
Its called super re-compensation Bud - Powerlifters do it before a meet where you take a tonne of time off and you recover to such a degree that your body has not been able to achieve in months of hard training.
I always wondered why it happened to me too when I'd take 3 or 4 days off with flu being physically incapable of training then all of sudden being strong as fuck and thinking what the hell? How did that happen.
I've always preferred Tren A then E when prepping just to keep things consistent and RARELY have ever used it outside of a couple preps in the past decade.
Currently in a grow phase while also looking to maintain leaner levels of body fat (yes I am using other gear etc. too) and have switched to Tren E. Going from Tren A daily at 100mg to Tren E at 400mg/week split twice a week seems to be holding out great.
I started taking Zinc Carnosine (early AM about 2hr-3hrs prior to waking when get in a light meal when I have to wake up to urinate) so that it coats the stomach. Between that and a digestive enzyme with every meal with carbs I seem to be good to go regarding gut issues.
Apple Cider Vinegar works great for that and any acid reflux too when needed. Nothing wrong in taking a daily heartburn med that works 24hrs to be certain you guys don't have any heartburn issues either.
I also felt horrible during an 'experimental' 4week prep while using Tren A. I was also using winni tabs at 30mg and Var at 40mg daily as well so it could have easily been one of those or perhaps the combo.
When it comes to TREN in general, the past decade (not that I did anything crazy prior) I have rarely used it outside of prep. This is the first time in a while that I am using Tren E at what I consider a lower dosage just to assist in keeping me leaner so that on days I really let go, I don't have as much to worry about from it.
Having a HEALTHY level of respect for gear in general much less TREN is something that will go a long ways for any user regardless of age or current level of body transformation. I would not recommend it to anyone that has less than 5yrs of quality training, eating and alternate gear use as well.
Best wishes in keeping healthy everyone as that is KEY.
Train for PURPOSE!
AnonAbsolutely, I have no problem dropping things that don't agree with me until I figure something out to help.
Why would anyone keep running a cycle that is miserable and makes it impossible to eat or bend over? It's just moving backwards imo. I'll re visit tren e again, but for now I know tren A is something I can handle for a while side effects wise. No harm in exercising caution!
OOOOOH thank you for mentioning the apple cider vinegar. I have been looking for ways to combat that tren induced heart burn, and totally forgot about that! I even have a big bottle sitting out.
All good.
Here to learn and share brother!
I do a straight table spoon with a good chug of juice or water. You could mix it if you like but I rather get it over with. LOL
AnonI love that stuff, burns a little if you don't dilute, but tastes like salad dressing to me lol
With some Udo's Choice Blend (3,6,9) Oil, the apple cider vinegar mixed with it might taste pretty good for a salad vinegerette.
what differences do you notice with tren e compared to tren a besides heartburn?
AnonIt's hard to explain, I just feel unwell and uncomfortable. Tren A makes me aggressive and hyped up with the occasional bout of anger/anxiety that I was able to control really well this time. But on tren E Its more consistent, and the gut issues are a big deal. Tren A comes with good and bad mood swings, but after I dropped it a couple weeks ago the tren e just has me feeling bad lol there's a lot at play though so I'll re visit it in a simpler cycle later.
AnonThis was my first time with Tren E and I'm not liking it, I'd rather do 75-100mg a day of ace for 6-8 week blasts..I dropped the tren E at week 5, I'll use it again later because I always seem to have a better experience on my second go with things if they didn't agree with me the first time. I'd rather have the mild ups an downs with ace than full time fuckery with the E at this point lol but my weight is up to about 215 in the mornings so my progress is definitely what I expected with this much gear this early and the deca hasn't really started yet. I look way bigger in the mirror and have lost a little fat. Been sick this week so I'll have to play catch up a bit next week. Overall I'm happy and have quite a few weeks left.
Feels completely different doesn't it, I'm not a fan either.
Interesting to hear both of your experiences with the two. I found it to be true that tren ace did cause my mood to swing when something fairly emotionally charged went on. I once was in a grocery store when I got a text from a roommate that pissed me off so much I had to pace around the store for an hour just to hold in the rage and give it time to fade. It was really intense.
But I only used ace that one time, and then tried enth, which I have used ever since because I feel fucking great on it and never get that level of mood swing at all. I have my suspicions that when a certain dose is still in the process of stabilizing, that is when the emotional sides come in. So in the beginning or in a flow dosing frequency cycle is when it would happen the most, in theory. Tren enth for me feels about as good as my first test only cycle, with the highly elevated well-being and positivity. BUT I do have moderate heartburn 90% of the time which is getting old. I love that I can eat a shit ton of carbs tbh. It means that when i'm not cutting I can just focus on getting enough protein thru out the day and let my cravings provide the rest of my calories!
Edit: and sex drive gets a major boost from both esters, which is VERY good, whenever I have partners available. When nobody will lemmie hit tho, it's stressful.
AnonYeah it's definitely different, I can manage the mental sides, my guts are really struggling still though, if I can't keep increasing my food it's a waste. Maybe next time it'll be different
With Tren E the hormone levels are even higher than just with ace. It turns your stomach into a burning furnace with all the stomach acid and metabolism hike. If you aren't eating thick heavy food and tonnes of carbs every damn time it wants feeding you are fucked and you'll pay the price with all the excess wind and gut and stomach lining burning that results from no food in there to soak it all up. The night feeding is the worst part when you are so tired all you want to do is sleep. Even taking in loads of casein doesn't always get round it as you are then wanting the carbs and sugar to satisfy you Lol As the saying goes - You really can have too much of a good thing.
AnonYeah 50g casein and a bowl of cereal lasts about 2 hours and then I'm awake again with a burning gut. I'll get it figured out one day!
AnonDAO arrived today right while my stomach was trying to burn a hole in my esophagus. Took one of them and it's gone, well see how it handles up for the rest of the run.
I stopped getting all heart burn once I committed to a green juice (juicer not blender) twice a week in the morning fasted. Firmly believe it’s essential in our ph balance. I use to get heart burn almost everyday and especially at night. Haven’t had heart burn in a year bro.
AnonWhat type of veg/fruit blends you using?
Well I do
1 entire bunch of kale
1 entire cucumber
1/2 lemon
3/4 pieces of celery
Some times I take out the celery and add one whole beat and 2/3 carrots.
Wake up first thing and pound a water bottle. Then 20 min later I have the juice then I eat my normal breakfast 45 min later. Just two days a week (my two off days from the gym)
Problem is with our bb diet it can make us very acidic. This helps alkalize the body.
Supps really don't help either - BCAA's, creatine, NAC etc They are all acids basically
big-facts I take zero sups (minus carb powder, vitamins, fish oil)
Don't try tell me ya don't take protein shakes dude.
I don’t! I drink 16oz of egg whites though when I need protein
Omg I take chocolate peanut butte protein in my black
Coffee first thing in the morning to get some amino’s in my body after it’s been fasting all night lol or I’ll add a scoop in my Greek yogurt and mix it up, taste just like chocolate pouring (I know you brits love ya poudin!)
AnonHow do you guys deal with heart burn on tren??
You can pop tums for acute flare ups but keep in mind that if you do your body won’t be breaking down and digesting protein as efficiently. So only use it if you have to.
No Shit - That's true is it?
I had a client who all of a sudden started getting weaker in all his lifts. Didn’t need a deload week, didn’t change volume or anything.
Turns out his buddy had given him a bunch of alkaline water and that’s all he’d been drinking. We traced that back to him not breaking down food properly because his stomach acid had been neutralized by the water. Switched back to normal water and within a week he was back to baseline and another week later he was back to making gains.
There may be benefits for longevity but it’s trash for performance.
AnonYeah antacids are the worst, they reduce stomach acid, the main goal is to balance it. It stops the pain, but you'll be bloated as hell and unable to eat because the food in the stomach basically stops breaking down because you've just changed the balance. Took me 3 hours to be able to eat again. Apple cider vinegar helped the bloating yesterday and fixed the heartburn this morning very temporarily. I've ordered some DAO that will be here today, it helps Break down histamine from external sources.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/dao-supplement#what-it-is
By not taking any orals to compound the problem, lol. It is annoying tho eh?
I like this cycle... Only thing I changed is using test E..
AnonJust ran out of test cyp and switched to test E 400 actually
nice modifications bro. Looks intense when you hit those tren ace pulses! Would be curious to find out if you end up needing aro and caber during that time.
AnonI take .5mg adex 2x week right now, no caber regularly yet. Ill get bloods done, but I'm keeping my E2 down so it shouldn't spike for me. I'm loving it so far, my sides are minimal and I'm able to run a full body circuit if I get screwed out of a gym day because of the kids. I hit squats deads and then chest and shoulders the other day, took like 2 hours...still have some sore bits. A little breathless on rep work though...
Gotcha, that's pretty decent aromatase genetics. I'm on about 350 sus and 400 tren and i i'm taking 25mgs aro e3d to stay balanced. I have been throwing in 25-50mg tren base in there preworkout 2-3 times a week, so I have been taking .5 caber every few weeks just to be safe. Trying not to get addicted to that tren b!
Why so low on the Mast baybeh?
AnonIt's just thrown in there for the mental benefits while on deca/tren. If I'm running it for a recomp cycle I'll bump to 5-600.
Fucking love mast at 600...I have super dense hair and it things it to a manageable level, but only in the center of my head about 3 inches up from my forehead area.
I'd bump the proviron up to 50 and add var at 50 too.
It's pricey so if I don't need it higher I won't use it. But I'm too fat right now to see anything from it, it's not a great builder either.
I’m on 750 of mast e and I am starting to feel good now that you mention it. Let alone the water it keeps off me, why is this? I’m newer to masteron I ran it one other time 6 years ago and I don’t remember what it felt like since I was on tren
AnonMast has an AI effect that's more pronounced with higher doses. That would explain the water loss at least in part. I'm not sure there's a lot of actual studies on it in men but it I've read that it might inhibit the aromatase pathway?
The 2 days on 2 days off seems like a disaster especially with the dbol and estro sides..
AnonYeah I dropped the dbol, still using the drol 100 pre workout. I've got a split custody deal, so 2 on 2 off is all I got until the little one is older.
Dbol is fucking dumb anyways.
100-150 adrol though...that shit will put some intensity in your workout. Mixed with the tren is a helluva combo
Interesting. I didn't get much of a "feeling" from drol. Just dbol, and sometimes after i've taken var for a week or so, then I sometimes feel energized after my 2nd dose of the day.
Now, tren b tho... I FEEL that.
AnonI think the drol brings up more aggression feelings on tren for me. I'm going to need to try tren base then! Should be a nice addition to a pre work out some days