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All things esterless and injectable orals

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Kind of broad spectrum topic to get various discussions going. Some things to talk about that I can think of are:

What injectable orals or esterless compounds do people like to use and for what purpose?

Any experiences with the more intense ones such as inj m-tren or m1t?

How do people feel about test base? I noticed that it wasn't a great pre-workout, but it did make me feel smoothed out, like my sense of wellbeing peaked, and then the dreams I have the same night are so intense that they're kind of jarring and disturbing. Not even because they're about anything bad. They're just SO sensory overload in all ways that it's unsettling.

How about tren base? I like that shit so far. Provides the right amount of kick that would be necessary for a pre-workout. I ran 25mgs with 10mgs inj sdrol and it was pretty effective. Literally have only tried it once so far, together.

What about, has anyone had any experience using a fast acting test as their cycle? I haven't tried it yet, but once in a while I read comments from guys insisting that, if the half-life is considered correctly in the dosing protocol, then TNE/test b is the number one best mass builder there is for a full cycle. If my body handled aromatization better I would give it a SHOT. ayyyee

GrowMore's picture

Nothing quiet compares to Tren base as a preworkout for all out war. A little goes a long way.

Bulkdaddy's picture

Truth!!!

MonstrousS's picture

I can get this stuff called "OJ Simpson Juice" and it's 50mg test b, 25mgs tren b, 12mg inj sdrol, 3 mg m-tren, 1mg ...Whats this shit called... Maybe it was 1mg m-tren and 3mg of the thing I cant think of... m1t maybe? Either way that shit allowed me to have the most intense leg day of my life and I had to make myself stop, even after 3 sets of beyond failure mechanical drop set back squats. Meaning, 12 reps to failure 1inch short of ass to grass, and then as many more reps of rack squats. Then all sorts of other shit that normally leaves me TOASTED, but I could just keep going.

edit: cheque drops! Thats the thing I was trying to think of.

Jim Layhey's picture

OJ juice hahahaha

Max_lifts's picture

Because you’re gonna murder that shit!!

Jim Layhey's picture

The glove did not fit!

MonstrousS's picture

Ha! If I hadn't developed a fear of inj sdrol since then i'd be using that stuff still. But I ran 20mgs inj sdrol PW, and by the 3rd and 4th day mark I was morbidly depressed and almost literally incapable of leaving my bed longer than a few minutes. It was among the top 3 worst mental states I have ever experienced. I'm weary of ALL the more exotic compounds now.

Jim Layhey's picture

Holly smokes!

GrowMore's picture

10mg of SD inj is all you need bro, I bet 5mg would still bring it to the table. I don’t have any idea how lads run it at 30-40mg for 4/5 weeks, savages

press1's picture

Yeah Sdrol does really alter your state of mind, its a funny one. That together with the lethargy and stomach pain that generally comes with it. I've started to see quite a few members talking about throwing up blood on it now too which has put me off massively. I wonder why it is so toxic to the liver - is it just its chemical make up as anabolicaly and androgenic wise it isn't that much greater than anadrol, nowhere near Halo or M1T.

MonstrousS's picture

I have some of both of those currently but i'm afraid to try them after that experience with sdrol. And I didn't even get a chance to see if it was a good mass builder because I lost all drive, desire, passion for training, moving around, eating, everything.

press1's picture

Halo is quite an edgy anxious feeling, the M1T I have I only took 2 and had to stop as either the compound itself or the fillers burnt absolute hell out of my stomach and intestines. Felt like I had battery acid moving around my guts so never again.

GrowMore's picture

Boom, what kind of mad scientist would create such a preworkout! Injectable Cheque drops alone would cause tunnel vision. PM me the source

Why OJ Simpson juice I wonder? Reminds me of the frog juice a couple of sources carried which didn’t have ingredients on the vial.

Last year towards the end of a cut I ran 25 Tren B, 100 test aqua, oral winstrol / Superdrol / halo. I’m not sure on the physical effects as it was only 10 days or so but the workouts with carb/salt/water manipulation were my best yet, pure intensity.

press1's picture

Bud I was so close to buying some of those on my last order with a UK source but bottled it last minute when I thought about what it could do to my liver Lol Basically they are pure Adrenaline aren't they!

Tbone69's picture

Viking had some comments about doing 400 mg a day split 4 pins before meals to increase nutrient shuttling and swears it's the best cycle for mass building. Too bad 4 pins a day means you need basically every muscle group with multiple pin sites..and I bet it hurts good too.

Bulkdaddy's picture

Well no shit 400mg a day would get anyone fucking jacked! Lmao

MonstrousS's picture

Yes! That's probably where I heard that from; Viking. The test base i've had didnt come with any significant pip, but i'm sure some brands do. And yea, unless i'm prepping for a show, I just can't bust out a need 4 times a day at specific times no matter what is going on. People would be concerned.

press1's picture

I'm still yet to be convinced on how Test Base or Suspension pinned several times a day can be any good for mass when its out of the system totally after 4 hours, no build up whatsoever. Lets say for instance you do 300mg Test base split into several shots per day - Thats 2100mg per week.

I've run Test E & Prop combined up to around 2.3 grams per week on its own and thought it was shite. Didn't put any mass on and I lost a tonne of strength compared to 1.4gram Test & 500mg Tren and Dbol here and there.

I see the advantages of shooting TNE before squats or deads as you are loads stronger when lifting and full of energy - But as numb as the saying is 'Test is still just Test' 100/100 vs 500/500.

MonstrousS's picture

lol for sure. I stick to the logic of using more compounds at lower dosages, to get the benefits of them all, build up some anabolic potential, and have only very mild sides that are easy to manage.

press1's picture

Thing also is, lets say pinning the fucker 3 times a day does get you Huge - How long are you gonna keep that routine up??!! LOL

Main advantage I see it has is how the drug tested powerlifters use it - 6 weeks of Base together with Adrol ED then drop it about 3 days before the competition and Voila - You are a Drug Free Lifter!!! LMAO

Still yet to try Tren Base though, looking forward to that :-)

MonstrousS's picture

Tren base is pretty strong tbh. I pinned 50mgs of it on a hot day and I was feeling aggressive and hot af. Had a great leg day tho. I can really push thru the really crazy beyond failure techniques when that stuff is active.

Biggest thing to be aware of is injection location. I only pin in quads and delts, but when I pin a base in my quads I dont feel it until 6-8hrs later when its far too late. I have to pin in the delts about 2 hrs pre workout.

Bulkdaddy's picture

My only problem is when I’ve already pinned to much and I have to pin again and it give me tren cough... hate that shit!!

press1's picture

Love me a bit of TNE - No Water based cheers, Fuck that with the pain and big needles needed to get the bastard in without clogging Lol

I find its brilliant for the big CNS based exercises such as Deads and squats. Wasted in the smaller stuff like bench from what I've found. It aids with breathlessness big time if you are running tren for say deads.

I don't feel you get any extra anabolism from it due to it being out after 2 hours but it helps with CNS torque during the workout so your able to accomplish bigger lifts :-) Problem is you can get too reliant on it and then you find you need to pin it before every damn workout to keep progressing Lol

Yet to try Tren base, did M-tren but it made me feel weird and just generally shit - probably because I already had tren ace in me at the time lmao

fusebox's picture

I love test base. Both oil and aqua as long as it has no guiacal in it. I have a bunch on hand at all times to use for crashed estro. The suspension I use is micronized so I draw with a 23 and pin with a 25. I've used preworkout but I get too intense at times and lose concentration too easily if the ladies are around. Gonna try a lower dose than the 100 mg I've been using. I also have tren base in water that I haven't tried yet due to the covid crap going on.

Bulkdaddy's picture

I like hitting about 2cc preworkout everyday... lol
I just can’t find any...

MonstrousS's picture

Of which? test base?

Bulkdaddy's picture

Suspension...

MonstrousS's picture

FR sent