Did you know that when you do a high intensity workout with weights the body burns calories at a higher level than normal even after 24 hours after you have finished the workout???

I did it once (i think).......... before i learned how to train using the volume principle.

Ive been down to 3% without cardio many times............ thats proof enough for me.

Diet is the key to being lean although cardio does help

I have read once in a magazine where Lou Ferrigno was writing an article. He said that back then in the golden era they didnt know what cardio was. When they were preparing for a contest they would do very intense weight trainings. in my opinion cardio should be done especially when you are on roids because you also need to train the heart, so if you are doing high volume of training you will need to do cardio.

I never do cardio except when I'm smashing my lady. Abs are made in the kitchen.

Not great on the write ups like you other guys but from my experience, the best way I can explain it, is from my body type when I do high intensity reps, I agree not to be a groupie. but with my high metabolism I was burning fat,heart rate was up and I felt adding cardio would be counter productive even though I do add it in here and there. I guess what I am trying to say is that it had to do with the person.

There's no need for foul language like "cardio" or "treadmill"......

I have totally stopped cardio the last several months and upped my intensity on the lifting front. While I am nowhere near as hardcore as you big guy I usually leave the gym pretty sweated up. What I have noticed is I have continues if not accelerated fat loss and vascularity. I do mix in a few sets of battle ropes on occasion but that is not what I would consider cardio.

fuck cardio! im with you on this, i mix training up so if im doing high reps, my heart rate is up anyway, the most cardio ill do relating to the gym is maybe 5 minutes on a treadmill just to get the blood flowing/ moving before i start.

i see what the guy below wrote about our different energy systems, i completed a diploma of fitness and cert 2 and 3 as a master trainer, they say 90 mins a week is beneficial, i say fuck them and do what works for you.

Here is how I see it. Usually we are looking to cardio to burn fat. So our goal of cardio should be to shift the body into an accelerated calorie burning and fat oxidizing state for as long as possible. Low intensity cardio only burns fat for as long as you are on the treadmill. As soon as you step off of it the fat burning stops. Not really an ideal situation if we are trying to burn fat for as long as possible.

To really effectively burn fat for a longer period of time, you need to jump-start other systems in your body. So the best way to do that is to stress the body with some type physical exertion that it is not used to doing, i.e. lifting weights. This forces the body to adapt by increasing fat oxidation, increasing caloric expenditure, increasing mitochondrial biogenesis (essentially the process of your muscle cells adapting to exercise and becoming more efficient) and improving insulin sensitivity and the uptake of glucose. Cardio doesn't do that. The more intense your weight session is the more effectively you will jump start those other systems and burn fat. Intensity shouldn’t be confused with volume. I could do 50 sets a workout but if I take 5minutes rest between sets it is not very intense and the fat burning effects will be minimal. If I did twenty sets with 1min or less between sets and then even throw in some supersets or giant sets, now that is intense. It sounds like your workouts are intense so I think that is a fine substitute for cardio instead of hopping on treadmill and boring yourself to death. Actually it is a better substitute since you will be burning fat for hours after your workout session unlike you would with only steady state cardio. I would rather include another weight lifting session or up my intensity before I have to resort to cardio. It is just a more efficient use of my time and is more efficient method of burning calories and fat.

Since I am on a roll here, let me take this a little further. So let’s break this down into the logic of doing cardio.

1. We do cardio to burn fat, right? (there are cardiovascular benefits also)
2. How does cardio burn fat? By increasing our heart rate
3. What is causing our heart rate to increase? Obviously the movement that we are doing.
4. What is causing our body to move in the first place? Muscular contractions

You probably see where I am going with this. The relationship here is that we need to contract our muscles to burn fat. So, the more intense our weight lifting (muscle contracting) sessions are, the more fat that will be burned.

Don't have any proof brother. But lifting weights fast with many reps inst cardio, unless u dance while u do it...idk one bodybuilder that doesn't do cardio...its a necessity, even if ur bulking IMHO

It does sound like what you're doing can be called cardio, but cardio does not only mean keeping your heart rate up, its about aerobic exercises vs. anaerobic exercises. Lifting weights is generally considered an anaerobic exercise regardless of doing your sets back to back. For an exercise to become aerobic and be considered cardio it would need to be continuous and RYTHMIC. Meaning doing the same thing over and over for a long period of time (running, swimming, jogging, dancing, etc)