posted Sat, 02/13/2016 - 03:58
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How to train on gear?
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Hey guys, I've been training naturally for just over a year. I train in the 4-6 rep range and use 75-80% of 1RM.
I've decided to do one short cycle of 4-6 weeks and return to training without fear after that.
Which is the best way to train when you're on gear? Heavy weight for low reps or light weights for more rep?
Personally, I love training in the 4-6 range with heavy weights. But does it increase chances of injury when you're on steroids?
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Seeing this late, but God bless everyone on this thread. I fucking love this place.
@Kal-EL7 - you just got the best advice you'll ever get. I hope you took it and I hope you're growing under makwa's (and the others) advice & plan. And just because you're not in a position, or in the need, to touch AAS, please don't take that as a reason to stay away from this board. If you live in the diet & excersise section of this site and continue to ask good questions, you'll never need to spend another dime on a personal trainer.
and if u ever get the itch again, instead of doing steroids, just read about them here. So when/if the time comes in 5-6 years that you think you're ready, you'll be more educated in AAS than more than 80% of people out there with multiple cycles under their belt, and that will at least help prevent you from doing something dumb.
That being said, if you don't want to get freaky big and you continue to eat big and bust your ass, you shouldn't even feel the need by the time you're 25-26, and you'll be glad you listened to the guys here back when you where 21... As you're steering new 21 year olds on here away from AAS & dishing out advice of your own to help them get big without gear.
I agree with the vets below - No gear. Just eat like a fucking animal, lift heavy, drink beer and chase pussy - you will put on size. Your nuts are in their prime, don't fuck that up by playing with your hormones. If nothing else works, dirty bulk. You are below 15%bf, and probably lose fat easily, so you can stand to put on a little fat to gain size.
You need to know how your muscles will grow naturally. Everyone responds to different types of training. I would follow 12 week blocks of strength training (like you are doing now), powerlifting (1-5 reps), and hypertrophy (8-12 reps) just see what your body responds to best and then use that type of training while on cycle.
EAt beef.
Sleep.
Short blast cycles
Equal Time off
45/1HR min 3-4x week HITT plus a spotter cross motivator And equally as competitive!
EAT.EAT.EAT
To all who responded to this young man ... thanks so much.
I have a house full of children ... most of whom are now grown. They are all in great shape as they have grown up with a very well equipped gym in the house, and yours truly who has always believed in being as involved with children as possible.
EVERYONE craves a short cut, and I understand that, but it would vex me to death to see one of my sons come here and get bad advice. I truly appreciate what you guys have shared here.
Bro you got the best advice you could get . take it to heart. You need food, food, work out and sleep. And do it all over again. NOT steroid.
Let's take gear out of the equation brother. At 21 you have plenty of gains to be had with nothing more than solid whole foods and psychotic lifting. Mind you what is ferocious lifting to one isn't necessarily ferocious lifting to you. So while not bringing AAS into the equation...lets look at lifting in a well fed well recovered situation.
What am I hitting today? That is the concrete base of your plan! Am I focused on going heavy or am I focused on going light? Now here is where it get's pretty damn easy brother!
Rep until you can't rep any longer. There is no limit but your own and that is where your focus lays! Our mind gives in before our body does brother. Overcome the mental and touch on the realm of growth! The body will only grow substantially if you give it proper reason to! It is searching for the easy way out to survive...well that is not why we indulge in this world of pain...the easy way out is stopping when "they" say to stop. Stop when your fkn bones say to stop! Your mind is merely a cheerleader with pom poms...it gets tired and bored during the game as it isn't a player actually taking the hits on the field engaging in the physical pleasure/pain! Each hit, or rep, should piss you off, because it represents the end, and you are down in the score! Press! Fkn Pull for that last score! Then when your mind is fried and body jello...refuel and rest the blown to shit body part for atleast 3 days.
If you lift with a psychotic nature and eat with the same intensity in between...your body will have no fkn choice but to accomodate muscle growth! You have so much potential naturally you must unlock it...and years down the road you will be a locksmith ready to break into the vault of AAS...but not just yet my friend...knuckles
U got some great advice from the guys below. A lot of u young guys think roids r the answer. Food is the anabolic compound to man or woman. Everything starts w your nutrition. U need to tell your trainer to kick rocks. Train hard and eat a ton of good calories. The weight will follow.
I don't blast people and never will. But under 25 is to young to start. Eat more food! When you think your full. Eat more food. Good food high protein high fat and good carbs at the right time. Who ever said fire your trainer was right. A real trainer will either put weight on you or pull it off. Whatever you want him or her to do. 25 is to young because your at you peak now in natural production. Just my 2c.
SeriousOpenfkne...Bro but just in case you do decide to take steroids. I mean obviously someone will yet at me if I advice you, but I'd like to point that if you do..... Yes in a way you can hurt yourself with lifting to much with your great new strength of hormones. Just don't let it get your head and lift like a dumbass. You're tendons and ligaments need to adjust also this takes time. Just listen to your body. Again if you disregard the whole age thing...
SeriousOpenfkne...Training is training.
FOOOOOooood!
Are your stats correct? 132 lbs, dude you need food not steroids. Then there's your age as you know like mentioned down below we don't give out a is advice to members under the age of 25. Diet nutrition which is obvious that you need and training we could help you out with.
Yeah, they're right. Body fat at 11-12%.
Why is 21 too young?
At 21 your body endocrine system hasn't fully matured. Your test levels ahould be sufficient enough to sustain gains on its own without the use of anabolic a unless you go an endo and he tells you otherwise. Steroids aren't what most people think it is. You can fuck your body up even with the right protocol you really just don't know. Save it for when you feel you really need that extra boost. 21 is young. Lift hard, eat plenty, and sleep at a ton and you should grow.
No steroid advice is given to under 25 year olds!
Train naturally for 4 more years then start a cycle, there really is no rush and you could end up doing more harm than good.
I'd like to stay natural too. But my trainer told me that since I gained only 9 pounds of muscle in the first year( as opposed to 15-25 according to lyle McDonald's model), I could gain maybe 10 pounds this year, 5 in the next and very little after that. Also that the 10-15 pounds of muscle I didn't put on in the first year is not possible to gain naturally. That puts my potential at close to 155-160 pounds!! That's why I wanted to start. I don't want to get huge like 200 pounds or anything. I want to remain in my body's natural limits.
No, since you only gained 9lbs of muscle the first year of training based off lyle mcdonalds model you still have to potential to gain 2lbs of muscle per month, thats lean dry tissue, not counting the extra glycogen that new muscle will hold so you can gain 3-4lbs of fat free mass per month still.
youre totally misinturpreting the model, its not set that 1 year you can gain 20-25lbs, its the first year you do everything correct you can gain 20-25lbs and after that the muscle wont come so fast. So the first you you failed, sorry, you didnt eat enough food peroid. your 132 measly pounds now, so you started at 123, I started at 125, 7 months i was up to 165-170. So like i said you failed, its ok, all that means is you can still gain 20lbs this year of lifting if you do EVERYTHING correct.
And again your misinturpreting the model, your tiny, so you have a ton of room to grow, you could continue to gain 2lbs of muscle per month until you hit a normal weight not just the first year. That model is based off guys starting around 150+lbs, when your 123 you have a ton of room to grow, you will gain easily and steadily until you reach atleast 170. Starting at 170lbs vs starting at 123lbs are very very different, the 123lb guy will continue to grow and make easy gains for much much longer then the guy who starts at 170.
and now your setting limits, youre 5ft 8 inches tall, 180lbs lean is easily withing your genetic potential. What would lyle mcdonalds model say to my best friend whos 100% natural and has been his entire life and hes stitting at 6'2 247lbs with abs right now? The model would say he should only be able to reach about what 202lbs at that height and bf? So dont go listening to what youve read on the internet, the internet doesnt know what your body is capable of.
Ask your trainer for a refund for every penny you've paid him / her.
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Your trainer sounds like a dumbass. Following his advice sounds like you will be going nowhere real fast.
So you think you need to run a cycle to achieve this....lol
Yeah. Not everybody want to be 225 at 5%. I just want to stop looking small.
Also, any thoughts on the Lyle McDonald's model?
Here is your solution to looking small. You don't need a trainer bro. I have just given you your recipe for success and it didn't cost you a dime. Fire your trainer now and use that money for food. Looking at your current stats, if you truly follow the advice I have provided you with you should be able to put on 25+ in a year. The more sweat you leave in the gym, the more you will gain. If you can't achieve your weight goals following this, it is pretty much a guarantee that running a cycle is going to be waste of time, money, and your health. If you need any fine tuning with this program, give me a pm.
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25 pounds in a year?! If I can do that, I wouldn't have even thought about roids.
I got a little guy similiar to you started on this and he has gained 9 lbs in the last 4 weeks since he started. They way he is going i would expect 25+ lbs in the next 6 months. Dude was training hard but really wasn't eating. Got his diet sorted out and boom, look how he is piling the weight on. Can't grow if you don't eat enough no matter how hard you train. Body is made in the kitchen, not the gym.
dropdzzSome of the best advice I've read on this site!!!!!
i did it, in 6 months naturallly. But you know what I had to do eat sleep and train. No drinking no partying no missing meals no missing the gym, when i wasnt eating sleeping or training I was reading and learning about training and nutrition, how to diet, how to target differnet parts of a muscle group, what type of rep range does what, what builds strength, what builds size the fastest. Logging all my workouts, trying out different rep ranges while keeping my diet consistent and finding out what works for me. Thats what it takes to add that kinda of size naturally in that peroid of time. The best part of being so small when you start like you are and i was is we grow that much faster then people starting much closer to their genetic limit. Fuck I was like 20lbs under healthy weight as are you. Gains come very easy for a long time in this situation. And dont think on steroids you can fuck around slack on your diet, at the gym, go out drinking. Ive had cycles where i was sick and I just couldnt eat enough and you wanna know what i gained? nada. So the same dedication goes into lifting on gear as it does naturally, hell one should be pushing it even harder on gear due to the increaeed recovery and other benefits. But you dont need that. you need about 3000 cals per day, a good 4 day split, and 8+ hours of sleep per night and a nap after training. Some creatine, bcaas and youre good.
Look, you're probably not going to add 25lbs of pure muscle in a year naturally, but 25 lbs of total mass, of which a good amount should be muscle, can be attained. Especially when your goal isn't to be a pro bodybuilder or even any form of bodybuilder-looking physique, you deffinately don't need steroids.
What they will do for you, is add quick mass and strength, then when you go off you have the whole pct thing, probably going to loose some size and strength, battle to get your natural hormones back up, dealing with the depression-like state of loosing the gains you made and training won't be the same.
with your aspirations for your body image, you should never need to take steroids. Not now, not when you're 25 or 30. Don't listen to your current coach, don't listen to that McDonald model. Eat a lot, train hard, rest adequately and be consistent. Gains will come.