+ 6 Intra workout supplementation!
So, this day in age we have made some great advances in studying the anabolics, training and the nutrition needed to become a mass monster. In my opinion the supplement industry has been lagging. Reason being there hasn't been a special supplement in my opinion since creatine was introduced in 1993 by Bill Phillips... Protein powders have only changed to taste better and come in different forms ex. Egg protein, whey, beef etc.
With Milos Sarcev heavy preaching of carbs and protein or aminos came John Meadows, and many others later on who believe in intra workout nutrition. Each one of them thinking that OVER half your blood goes to your muscles while training, why not fill that blood with carbs and aminos to aid in recovery. It's common to examine post-workout effects on muscle metabolism after exercising only a relatively small muscle. For ex. a single muscle, a muscle group (like the quadriceps) or maybe an isolated set of muscles like the quads and hamstrings In contrast, a typical bodybuilding workout targets several muscles and often takes a bit longer than a research exercise bout. For instance, you might start with chest training in order to prioritize it as the big group. and then you may move to delts, triceps, abs, and possibly some cardio. This can easily mean over an hour or more has lapsed after pec training—an hour before you slug down your “post-workout shake". Add this to the slowing of absorption due to gas delay, and the time before your chest will be flooded with the nutrient and hormonal effects of the shake can be 90 minutes or more.
Not just for recovery the IW shake is also an endurance issue also. Carbs = energy and if you want to be able to keep going then carbs = the answer. But no one wants to shake their workout to down some rice and chicken or a protein shake (aside from the stomach issues that may occur from that, There actually was a book written by Thomas Fahey, EdD outlining what he then called “Insulin Loading.” Basically, this meant that you consumed a 2,000-calorie liquid meal (150 grams of protein) intermittently over a two-hour workout. SCREW THAT)
Many Of the older generation who have been serious in this sport know about carbs during training for these reasons but also for a taboo subject. Me, personally believe in intra workout highly and preach it as a supplementational plus to an already tip top diet and training. Most supplements use Dextrin, a fast acting carb that will not upset the stomach and be digested fast into the blood.
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My favorite: IntraMD by prime
Karbolyn by all American
Carbion by allMAX
AND MUCH MORE!
I made this on the fact multiple times I've explained intra workout on this forum and felt this is a great topic to bring to light to some of the less serious bodybuilders or just gym goers who haven't learned of the "mad scientist" Milos and john meadows but still want the best out of their workouts.
Adding to Vikings beliefs in BCAAS (I'd prefer EAAS), and creatine I believe a good carb powder added in at the right times WILL bring amazing progress to the table. Comment below on what you use and anything you'd like to add in. This is my first topic write up so bare with me. Also ignore grammar and spelling, I am using my phone and yesterday was my last final this term so I'm allowed to be LAZY (but still got that 4.0 this term!)
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Nice topic for discussion. Nutrition and nutrient timing is so fascinating. You’re on the right track here. The key is when you consume the carbs in and around your workout. To begin with you want to have a high protein high carb meal 3 or so hours before your training session. These are the carbs that are going to replenish your glucose stores and refuel your workout. Now about a half hour before your workout you want to get a slug of quick digesting protein-this is a whole other topic on the reasons behind this- (whey shake) with zero to minimum carbs (10g or less carbs). I know you are asking why not carbs immediately before your workout, they are fuel after all. Your muscles are already primed with glucose from your earlier meal and consuming carbs immediately before (as well at the start of your workout) will blunt growth hormone release (which is obviously super anabolic and the more GH in our system the better). Consuming carbs immediately before your workout will spike insulin (which blocks GH release) and so minimize that insulin spike immediately before your workout to maximize GH release you want to minimize the carbs
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The point where you do want to consume carbs is about halfway through your workout. Carbs are great at blocking cortisol and cortisol levels are now spiking halfway through your workout so to help minimize cortisol at this time consume some high GI carbs. Timing is the name of the game here. By taking your carbs halfway through the workout you maximize GH and then help minimize cortisol by taking the carbs halfway through your workout. BCAA’s should be taken around the clock. Pre, intra, post workout and sipping them throughout the day. There is a lot more I could go on about here because it is just not timing of carb intake but also amounts of carbs taken pre, post and intra workout that separates the big dogs from the pups in the gym. Moral of the story, time your amounts of carbs appropriately and you will help to maximize gains.
TryHarder007This is the kinda reply I want! I wanna talk about this stuff! My coach and I talk about this all day long! I'm a broke college kid but he always advocates BCAA all day! But with the carbs at 20 weeks out to the show every carb meal counts because its placed times and weighed for the best benefits. I have learned at a young age the importance of carbs pre intra post and I think that's what set me so far ahead of kids my age (20). Never have I had a coach until about 22weeks out but I'm glad I did. I'm close with my coach we were prior friends but I'm excited to learn a ton from him since he's the "next big thing in bodybuilding" and he has heaps of knowledge he's learned from his coach and himself through the years. I'd love to fr you and talk about carbs and all this. This is fun and to me keeps me sane while I hack at my degree in law. Lol
Interesting read brother TryHarder! I'm certain with your cerebral gifts, many more will follow!
Thank you for adding value to the community! For that and your perfect GPA +2!
Nice read not bad for a 20 year old.
TryHarder007Thank you sir but you won't be saying that when you see what I've been working on in-between studying for finals! I'm writing on optimal protein levels in each meal and how the amount of carbs and type in that meal effect how much protein you really need each meal and overall in a day! I very much enjoy this and wish dietetics was my major.. But we both know you won't make that much with a degree like that! Lol I hopefully will be finished by next week on it!
Just something a bit off topic but could be helpful for the topic you chose on your finals. Alan Aragon talked alot about it already and gathered many studies regarding this topic which might give you some data for your stuff;
If you want, I can share some links with you regarding this topic via PM
TryHarder007I'll PM you! Oh sir this write up is for here actually its for fun between my actual finals! Lol. This is super helpful and I've actually saved a few link to yet read by him i think on my laptop. My major is completely different than this my professor would laugh if I wrote about this in ex my american policy's and foreign ideals class! But I'd love for those links sir!
Hahaha, maybe you should do it anyway. Perhaps you'll get the graduation anyway due to such a good write up^^
TryHarder007True!!! I mean I'd be basically giving the professors the key to gains. Lol I wish I could just graduate with my BA right now... 2 more years after this then on to my masters. All while I have to stay within the top 10% to be even thought about by my dream job..
bigmurphGreat read and +1 for that 4.0
Congrats on your 4.0 brother.. I always use intra-workout also post and pre and food all day. I have not had money lately so I am slacking but I used to love size-on by Gaspari. Carbs, bcaa, creatine. I would also buy bcaa from vitamin shoppe bogo offer they have every couple months to add to my drink as extra and to use through out the day.
our best pump is in the gym and it only makes sense to feed that pump.
TryHarder007Thank you sir so much for the warm words of this term! Exactly! Carbs create the pump so why not keep it going. Like a train you can start the massive fire to get the train going initially but you got to feed it to keep the train moving! My usual intra is on leg, back and chest: one scoop intra MD, and half scoop of karbolyn (saves me money. The other days I just leave the half scoop out), then add some creatine, and a half scoop of amio energy for the caffeine.
I don't know what my coach will have me do now that my true prep for a show has a srarted but I'll definitely update this post on what he wants (he is IFBB and about my age. Won't say too much more)