Contaminants in supplements
Hi-
I was reading and listening to some of William Llewellyn's comments in regards to UG labs having contaminated or mislabeled gear...and it got me thinking.
Given that all the supplements sold online or in GNC aren't checked by the FDA...is there any data suggesting that these products are free of heavy metals, improperly dosed supplements, etc.?
The only thing I remembered hearing about was a Consumer Reports article on protein drinks, shown here http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/04/protein-drinks/index.htm
Also, in my trolling, I had read of a member named Angus who does testing on the legitimacy of some of the UG lab products. Before I reach out to Angus...can anybody let me know what it is that he can actually test for? If not, is there a simple way to find out if any/all of these products are contaminated?
Thanks-
Woody
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angusI have seen that same youtube video and one thing that we need to be cognizant of is intention. What does he stand to gain for making the claims that he does? The answer to that question is he sells books. Books about steroids. In fact, he touts himself as an expert since 2000. So now that we know his motivation we can kinda look at his "facts" and start to wonder where he gets his information. If, after watching his video, you are compelled to buy his book or watch more videos then he has done his job. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm just looking at motivation.
I can tell you that we've run thousands of tests on gear that range from some of the nastiest bathtub brew to pharmacy issued oil and we have never seen one instance of a heavy metal toxin. So when I watched his video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LL7bL4F9G4
and I looked at some of his statistics I couldn't help but wonder where he got his information. HOWEVER, some of the information is spot on and we consistently see improperly dosed gear.
As far as supplements, it doesn't take much research to find that they have to register with the FDA and follow the rules. Do they follow the rules? IDK, not really my department. Seems there was an article just last week where a steroid was found in a supplement.
Let's get one thing straight though, I'm not the FDA of eroids. I don't go around poking my nose where it doesn't belong. I help people when they ask for my help when I can. Above all this is a review site and a Mass spec is a great way to review. What can a mass spec test for? Anything......anything at all. If you go to the lab posting section you will find a plethora of labwork that will keep you busy reading for weeks to come.
And one last thought, there are a host of items I will not tolerate even being asked about. So hopefully your use of the word "supplements" is either just that or AAS.
Angus-
First off let me thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. To touch on multiple points that you have suggested:
1. I have read both of his books, prior to seeing those youtube videos that he has going around. Anabolics has literally hundreds of references to medical journal papers, which is something that I value highly being in the healthcare field myself. To date, I have not found a more comprehensive book with medical data supporting it. So, his "facts" are very much so backed up.
2. "Generally, manufacturers do not need to register their products with FDA or get FDA approval before producing or selling dietary supplements.* Manufacturers must make sure that product label information is truthful and not misleading. " Taken directly from the FDA website http://www.fda.gov/food/dietarysupplements/
3. Pardon my ignorance, as I am a newb to gear and gear boards...but in this case I was talking specifically about legal supplements...essentially anything that can be bought at a GNC. The thought did come about from reading about AAS, but that was not what I was thinking. If you thought I was insinuating something else by use of the word "supplements," I apologies. In fact, I have no idea what it is that you thought I may have been inquiring about lol.
Thanks again,
Woody
angusHappy to help the community.
I wasn't talking about his books. I'm sure they're great. I was speaking of the video, and I gave him credit for having some things exactly right but on the same token I questioned other facts presented as something I haven't seen and questioned their origin.
Good work. See? I told you it wasn't really my department.
Cool. I just wanted to make sure that we were on the same page, and we are.
I sent him a PM for you.
Thanks!