posted Sun, 07/13/2014 - 12:29
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What to run with PRIMO?
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I'm jumping into the EBC this fall, and I am going to go all out. I've always wanted to run a Primo cycle, but I never have. So, I'm in the process of ordering 120 ml so I can do this thing the right way. My plan is to run it at 800mg per week for at least three months. However, I'm looking for a good bulking compound to run with it. I've done my fair share of 19-nors lately, so I'd rather steer clear of Tren and Nandro for now. I was thinking Test Prop and maybe Tbol.
I'm hoping experienced Primo users will steer me straight and help me put together my best damn cycle yet. If money was no object, what would you run in your Primo cycle?
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If I was gonna try to bulk on primo I would do a good dose of a long ester test and dbol. That should be plenty with the right diet to make great gains
I gotta agree with Noid,,, I love EQ, It can and is best run long, and really responds well to your diet...2-1 Eq test has worked the best for me but again diet is huge for the results, for instance I can run it long and put on some quality beef with high carbs and then tear it down with a carb cycle diet on the tail end... Thats just what works well for me, took me a couple tries to get the 2-1 figured out...The prop will keep you nice and dry but the pinning schedule sucks to run long with EQ-Test-E with prop finish on the tail end. Maybe some Var or Mast... Gotta run em single though to see how you react... Just my humble opinion. Good luck in the EBC!
SkinnyGuyThe answer depends on your goals. I am assuming you are trying to put on quality mass while staying or getting lean - hence the reason why I am on a 700mg/week primo cycle. I am running Var at 50mg ED as well but Turinabol would be a great alternative. In my experience, 50mgs ED of Turinabol works well but 100mg was really nice. Anyway, the Var and Primo combo is enhancing my V-taper and people keep giving me compliments on my physique. The size gains are great, the stack keeps me looking lean/getting leaner, and I don't do cardio. I put .5 in on my arms in 6 weeks, traps are blowing up, chest and shoulders fuller, and dropped 1 inch around the waist. (This is probably my favorite stack other than when I do Tren for bulking). And if money is no object and you can get your hands on some legit HGH, I would do 4 to 8 IUs per day. People say it takes a really long time (several months) to kick in, but that's not completely true. If you take 4 IUs or less each day, that is more of a rejuvenation dose and will take a long time to notice results. But when I took 8 IUs per day? Wow! After 5 weeks in, I noticed changes almost every day. The challenging thing is getting your hands on legit HGH and affording enough to do the proper dose for bodybuilding. As always, you can always throw in some test. I would recommend sust 250 two times per week if you want some additional size. But if you are prone to water retention and other estrogen related sides that will interfere with the aesthetic you are going for, either do 1cc of sust each week, 1/2 cc each week, or none at all. Despite so many people sayiny you MUST use test as a base for every cycle, I am not using test in my current cycle so I ensure I don't retain water. And I am doing great without it. I hope this helps you decide what's right for you.
Terrible advice............... NOT how we do things around here.
Bro, could you please put your stats in your profile? You have been here since March, when u get a chance.
I don't know where u r from bro. I've traveled enough to know that no-test cycles are common in Europe, but that's not what we teach here and I would regard that as bad advice.
SkinnyGuyYou may have read over it, but I did suggest test. I never told him not to use test...Just sharing my current cycle doesn't include test and I am fine.
And I know on eroids the majority of members teach to use test with any cycle. I agree that it's an important part of a cycle. But I am entitled to share my opinion, experience and results. If something works for me, I will share that info. That's what this site is about.
Entitled? No bro, your not entitled to shit here on this site until your stats are up. After your stats are up you are entitled to give clear,concise,safe and sound advice if in fact you know what your talking about... Not bad advice that has worked for you. Keep your bad advice to yourself please, we have alot of youngsters on here that even if they are just in the shadows and don't seek out advice they still read it and consider it a sign off... Come on man clean it up or go to another forum and offer advice...
Only if it is a sensible opinion.............. Get some stats in your profile if you choose to give opinions! here.
SkinnyGuyBoth you and Gearhead obviously don't know how to read English. Both of you took my post out of context. The site is a waste of time to post anything if people don't know how to interpret plain English. Chow.
it was interpreted correctly, you obviously came from somewhere where they dont give two shits about safety. which you could have learned here but that takes effort and I know how hard that is to come by these days, so since your already on your way out ill just give you that extra little push. chow
Is it me or is there a large amount of young, arrogant douche bags on here lately?
Come in waves
Chow.
Watch out for heavy objects on the way out. We don't need any insurance problems here. Just press the letter "B" on the elevator.
Bro, I don't think you exactly understand what this site is about. For example, if I shared a cycle where I was running 3,500 mg of Tren E /wk along with other compounds and said it really worked well for me and I got great results and that I'm not recommending anybody else run Tren that high - I would be banned. So, what you did was, in fact, under the standards of this website give bad advice. Sorry bro, it is what it is. I have no interest in arguing with you, the site mods will eventually read all this and weigh in.
Please add your stats to your profile when u get a chance, thanks bro.
I bet 1-test offers almost the exact same results as primo at a way smaller cost. Go thru my pics. It gives some crazy veins, strength, and hardness.
I don't know anything about 1-test. I'll check out your pics. Thanks, bro.
I've been looking into 1-test and it looks way better than primo. Results superior, quality usually higher and cheaper. Super painful injection though (apparently). Great input
Pip ain't that bad on it. nonexistent for me almost. Tne/dbol never fails to leave a knot tho. I hear the pip on real primo ain't that much better anyways.
Extremely androgenic tho. But i guess primo is the same way. I think with the 1-test the strength gains will be much better if you care about that at all.
Yes I did notice a little acceleration of hair loss on it. Worth it! Ha
Fuckk that. Id rather have my hair. Id be a ugly bald guy.
Finestride, brother. Keeping the hair where it's supposed to be.
I've read that once you start taking it you can't stop and at first it makes you shed even more. Like it's not the kinda thing I could just start taking a when I start my cycle and then stop when it ends. That and the permenant ed problems worry me.
It will make you grow hair but yes you must continue using it or you lose it all when you stop. It also messes up a lot of people sexually. My brother in law gave up the hair growth benefits just cause the sex side effects were so bad. It's also been said recently in studies that this sexual damage turns out to be permanent after stopping use of the drug for a lot of people.
Not trying to argue, but the clinical trials I researched showed only 8 percent of the test subjects actually noted any sexual side effects. The placebo group noted 4 percent. So, really not that much difference, especially when we're talking about dudes who are "at that age."
Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the warnings. But I sure would like to see whatever study you are talking about. Can you post a link?
I was worried about that, too, but the results of the clinical studies weren't nearly as harsh as your description. The placebo group also reported incidences of sexual dysfunction, at a rate not far behind the people taking the actual drug, so I think the issue is more that dudes in the 40s-50s were taking it and reported increased problems over a two-year period (that probably would have happened at that age anyway).
I'm not on it, but if I start losing my hair, I will jump on it very quickly. Even have a stash waiting at my fingertips. When fighting baldness, the choices seem to be medication, lose your hair or stop doing androgenic steroids. Take your pick, bro.
Just steer clear of dht drugs if you don't want to lose your hair. Better to say no to Winny then to take finasteride and end up with a broke dick and "abnormal" ejaculation
You dont have to convince me lol. If i start noticing hairloss I'm definitely gonna jump on it. I do not wanna lose my hair.
I just re-read my post and it sounded kinda snotty. Sorry about that. Not my intention.
Actually, I'm glad you said something about the sides because it made me go do a bunch more research on the compound. Thanks, man.
I didn't think it sounded snotty at all man. An glad you did some more reading on it , I always do a ton of research before I start something. Idk why everything good has to have terrible side effects. Do I want my hair , or my dick to work lol. Seems like the percentage of people who have problems are pretty low. It wouldn't bother me at all except for the fact that it's permenant. I'm fine with having some problems then I stop taking it and they stop. But permenant ed scares the shit out of me, especially since I'm only 25 and it just works so well right now lol. Hopefully I neber need it.
what compounds have you used?
I've used basically every ester type of test, tren, nandrolone for oils. Proviron, Dbol for orals. Running GH for the past six months, now at 10iu per day. I've used peptides including GHRP-2, GHRP-6, IGF lr3 and melanotan.
Trying to branch out a bit and put the tren on the shelf for a while. Any help from you, sir, would be appreciated.
Well let me ask you this first, what are hoping to get out of primo
Hardening, tightening. I keep looking at Mr. Fixit and thinking we have very similar stats, except he looks so much damn better than me. Was hoping to get the best of both worlds by adding something to the mix that would allow me to put on a few pounds early in the cycle and let the Primo tighten me up in the homestretch.
are you TRT? have you ran EQ? mast? var?
I'm not TRT ... yet. Haven't run any of those. I've researched Mast and EQ a bit, but I started focusing on Primo because it sounded like price was the only comparable drawback. Don't know much about Anavar, though, other than it's pretty mild.
I get less results from primo then I do var, primo is very food dependant....personally I dont think you want to run primo yet, I would wait until you ran the 3 I named up top, all have some similar effects to primo and all are cheaper, can help you achieve your goals. they also all go well with primo. but you will need to run them separately and learn what each is doing before putting them together. winstrol is another that goes well.
I would start with a test EQ cycle
then maybe a test EQ mast cycle
possibly a test mast var cycle
somewhere down here consider primo
Do you think theres a chance your primo was either fake or way underdosed? Im yet to see mass specs on primo that isn't fake. I added up the cost to run 12 weeks at 600mgs a week of bayer primo, and it would be 850 dollars for just the primo lol. Fuckk that, it makes var look affordable.
anything is possible! i will say though that I had the most incredible cardio on primo.
If I go with Test and EQ, what would you recommend to go with it that would help me put on some size? I want to harden up towards the end of my cycle, but I'd like to make some early gains.
Since I don't have experience with EQ, I'd like to make sure I'm familiar with everything else in the cycle. So, would Dbol be a bad choice to run with all of this? I would ask about Var, Winstrol or Tbol - except I haven't run those before.
I've found that EQ hardens you up and makes you more vascular particularly after week 9. I have backed off the test a little after week 10 before to help this.
A more natural combination in my opinion would be t-Bol/test/EQ. I prefer t-Bol to d-dol. same strength with less bloat. T-Bol dose would be higher and typically for longer.
and around here we practice one new compound at a time not 2. read the thread.
My bad. Forget the t-Bol till later
Yeah, I shouldn't even have suggested T-Bol while I was talking about Primo and other things that I haven't used. My bad.
you can run d-bol with it, not a preferred mix but not out of the question. you will most likely experience a drop in some water weight after the 4 weeks of d-bol is over.
d-bol 30-50mg/d 1-4
test-c 500-750mg/w 1-17
EQ 600-800mg/w 1-15
PCT starts week 19-23
adex on hand
Yessir. I'm going to go after that one right there. Although I may go with Test E, instead of Test C, since I have a bunch of that on hand.
I've got nolva, letro, aromasin and clomid on hand. The one Ai I don't have is Adex. Is there a specific reason for the Adex, or can I use another Ai?
you can use aromasin. same kind of AI just a little stronger then adex. basically it goes
adex
aromasin
letro
in that order from weakest to strongest AI
nolva and clomid are serms
Sounds like a plan. Thanks a ton for your help, Mr. Noid.
I think this is a better option for the OP at the moment than a primo run. Also not a fan of dbol with EQ, but by no means a deal breaker. Prop kick instead perhaps?
The OP. Making me feel right at home, Catalyst. LOL
Advice taken. Prop kicker heading into a stretch of some lean and mean EQ.